Sellers listing un tested items

[keith1955guns]

Hi all, this has been bothering me for a while, sellers are increasingly selling items untested?

I buy a lot of vintage lighters, and always see lighter sparks but untested just needs fuel?

This is a contradiction, And a presumption on the sellers part that it will work, as you have partly tested for spark, so why not test if fuel valves work as well, instead of saying I have no fuel to test with?

This is not what I would call a responsible seller, they are  just a chancers. Its a kin to selling a car un tested stating battery ok engine turns over but wont start  just needs fuel?

And another thing when a seller states retro vintage item? well what is it vintage or retro? retro meaning new item made in the style of a vintage item, vintage original item over 50 years old, the world we live in now thinks its normal to skew the meaning of our English  meaning of words, to suite their agender, it has to stop.

[4_bathrooms]

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@keith1955guns wrote:

Hi all, this has been bothering me for a while, sellers are increasingly selling items untested?

I buy a lot of vintage lighters, and always see lighter sparks but untested just needs fuel?

This is a contradiction, And a presumption on the sellers part that it will work, as you have partly tested for spark, so why not test if fuel valves work as well, instead of saying I have no fuel to test with?

This is not what I would call a responsible seller, they are  just a chancers.

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Used lighters (empty or not) are prohibited from being sent by post and it is therefore an offence to send them in the mail. All couriers prohibit flammable liquids for transit so if the seller did put fuel in the lighter they would be unable to send it to you unless they were somehow able to check the lighter was completely empty before sending it. They would also need to check their chosen carrier didn't specifically prohibit lighters from transit.

Anyway, if the item condition states "used" then eBay's definition of used means the lighter must be fully operational and function as intended. If the item condition states "For parts or not working" you should assume it isn't going to work unless the seller states otherwise. Anyone selling an item described as being "untested" whilst speculating about the condition of the item or it's ability to be repaired is just asking for an "item not as described" case to be opened.  

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@keith1955guns wrote:

the world we live in now thinks its normal to skew the meaning of our English  meaning of words, to suite their agender, it has to stop.

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Oh, the irony...

[gt_preloved]

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@keith1955guns wrote:

And another thing when a seller states retro vintage item? well what is it vintage or retro? 

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This is almost certainly for search visibility. Adding both Vintage and Retro captures buyers searching with either of these keywords.

[keith1955guns]

gt preloved wrote: 

And another thing when a seller states retro vintage item? well what is it vintage or retro? This is almost certainly for search visibility. Adding both Vintage and Retro captures buyers searching with either of these keywords.

The terms “retro” and “vintage” are often used interchangeably, but they have distinct meanings.

• Retro: Refers to new items that have been made to imitate items of the past, often with a nostalgic value. Retro items are designed to mimic the styles and designs of the past, but are not actually from that time period. 
• Vintage: Denotes something that is authentic from an era at least 25 years ago. Vintage items are genuinely older and represent the style and trends of a specific period. 

In general, while both terms refer to items from past eras, the key difference lies in their authenticity and age. Vintage items are original and at least 25 years old, whereas retro items are new reproductions imitations of past styles.

Now you know the difference, between vintage and retro

[jonatjonatjonat]

But not everyone is going to know that, and you are having to expose your products to the mass market.

in that mass market, where retro and vintage might be used interchangeably by the average customer, then it makes sense to include both terms to ensure you appear in more searches.

if it annoys the occasional user, I don’t think the sellers are really all that bothered.

[keith1955guns]

Jonat_broad stated: 

But not everyone is going to know that, and you are having to expose your products to the mass market.

in that mass market, where retro and vintage might be used interchangeably by the average customer, then it makes sense to include both terms to ensure you appear in more searches.

Well in my book that's just being untruthful and miss leading, and ignorance of the facts is no excuse is it.

Like all people buying things on the open market eBay shops etc, deserve transparency and the truth, don't you.

[gt_preloved]

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@keith1955guns wrote:

Now you know the difference, between vintage and retro

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This potentially misses the point slightly. 

If a seller has a genuinely vintage item, it would still make sense for them to include 'Retro' in the title (or vice versa) to ensure potential buyers searching see the listing.

Whilst I agree that an item is either Vintage or Retro (but not both) a well thought-out eBay listing title could include both terms. It's counter-intuitive but the eBay listing title does not need to be 'human readable' but instead really needs to be optimised for search engine results.  

The detailed description in the listing could offer more detail as to the specific age of the item.