Schedule "A" Case INTERNATIONAL WATCHMAN, INC. No.: 1:24-cv-22046 copyright infringement

I'm in the UK. Got notified about this by Florida case by Sriplaw Attorney Joel B. Rothman last week. I'm a private seller, had a single nato strap listing removed by ebay under VeRO rules two weeks ago. Sounds like they are accusing me of counterfeiting, copyright theft etc. Am reading up on these SAD cases now. Posting to try and connect with others perhaps in the same or similar situation.

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@wyntersemporium wrote:

they said if I don't comply I would have mine took down. 
does anyone know how I can contact eBay for a historic selling history 

thanks 


You can request historic information  for past transactions from eBay using a freedom of information request, it does take a few days to complete.

 

Google.. Requesting your personal data / eBay,   then click on Requesting your Personal Data,  that brings up eBay's help page and instructions how to proceed to receive this information.

 

Good luck.

 

@wyntersemporium 

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I bought them from  Aliexpress and according to when I bought them December 1st 2019. Took a screenshot of it. 
the store in question is still up on there. 

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2019 is when I bought them 

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@tressygirl many thanks have requested everything from 2019 till last year 

 

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@wyntersemporium wrote:

I bought them from  Aliexpress 


I reckon at least 80% of the items offered for sale on that marketplace infringe someone's intellectual property rights. 

 

 

Give me ambiguity or give me something else.
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You're very welcome, glad it helped, and hope it helps you further too!

 

Keep us posted .😊

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@wyntersemporium wrote:

2019 is when I bought them 


It sounds like Omni Studios might have seen an infringing item on AliExpress at that time or noticed a popular item on AliExpress and saw an opportunity to abusively register some intellectual property rights. Either way it is when you last offered the item for sale to the USA that will count; not when you purchased the items.

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I think I know exactly why these cases are now being brought. I need to do some reading but if I'm right as the plaintiff and defendant in these cases never entered into a contractual relationship with each other there might be an easy way out.

 

EDIT - there is absolutely no way the timing is a coincidence. The UK ratified The Hague Convention on 14th July 2024 and this thread was started on 15th July 2024. Now to see if my theory - along the lines of not recognising the court's jurisdiction - is correct.

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So, where the defendant and plaintiff have no existing contractual relationship the Hague Convention does not apply to matters involving intellectual property. As per Schedule 3H:

 

"1. This Convention shall not apply to the following matters—

 

(m)intellectual property;"

 

As I see it anyone affected needs to contact the court/judge to inform them they do not recognise the jurisdiction of the court and request to be removed as a defendant from the case on that basis. Something like this:

 

"Court Case Title: <ID number>; <plaintiff name> v. The Partnerships and Unincorporated Associations Identified on Schedule “A”

 

I - <eBay User ID> - identified as a defendant in Schedule “A” of the above case am a British/Northern Irish citizen. Being a British/Northern Irish citizen who is subject to the laws of the United Kingdom I do not recognise the jurisdiction of the U.S. District Court for the District of <state>. I therefore request to be removed as a named defendant from this case."

 

And attach/include a screenshot of your "About" page on eBay showing you are registered in the United Kingdom.

 

It looks to me like Sriplaw et. al. realise it's pointless pursuing a UK-based seller directly. Even if they obtain a default judgement for their plaintiff in a US District Court the plaintiff would need to pursue that judgement through the UK's County/Sheriff courts as a contractual debt. However, they could only claim for "actual loss" (not damages) if they did and would not be able to reclaim legal expenses making doing so pointless in virtually all cases. It seems what Sriplaw et. al. are trying to do is hold the defendants' eBay accounts to ransom; either the defendant pays up/comes to some payment agreement or a default judgement is entered forcing the closure of their eBay account. I'm not even sure why eBay is entertaining this as they're never named as a defendant in "Schedule A" and it seems the plaintiff's involved (or rather, their attorneys) are bypassing eBay's VeRO Program.  

Give me ambiguity or give me something else.
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Probably more than 80% I buy my chains from a seller on there to make my jewellery up. 

“What we’ve got here is failure to communicate.”
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They e said they're looking for a judge now. As when I said eBay are going to send through the info on how many rings I sold. 

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I have read and looked at some other places they sued WALMART for a ring 

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@wyntersemporium wrote:

They e said they're looking for a judge now. 


 Here is the PacerMonitor entry showing the case. Here is where you need to send the email I mentioned in my earlier post to.

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Do t suppose you know what these uk lawyers are called 

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You are likely to struggle to found a UK lawyer that understands SAD cases. All you'll be paying a lawyer in the UK to do, is negotiate a lower settlement which you can do yourself. If you want to fight it, you need an attorney in the state you are being sued. 

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What I'm worried about my store may be pulled down ?

the other seller is terrified as she had one ring for sale as well.

theyve asked her if she has any other stores online?

I think they're going to erase every single store I and her have online. I sell on the river but never sold the rings on there as in the handmade catergory. I have different items on there. I sell other places too with different things. 
pretty disgusting of eBay rolling over and giving USA info. I'm worried they're going to come for my mums house. 

“What we’ve got here is failure to communicate.”
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They're after the history of the item I sold. Which I have but have not given to them. They also want how many I sold as well. 
anyway I can't open the zip file to see. 

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Removed it and then got a buyer from Texas ordinary mail bought an item.

seemingly I can't get into the postage bit as I've got 72 different postage things on. How I did that I've no idea 

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Found one I think would prefer a local one which I've been looking for over the weekend as not to sure what they're called or what I need one specialist lawyer for as terrified they can sue for anything between £750 to £750,000.

i don't have that sort of money. 

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Hi

 

I am 99% sure it comes under intellectual property.   So an experienced intellectual property solicitor.

 

Where i live we have a Law university.   One can contact them for legal advice free of charge. Make a face to face appointment.    Its final year students who work under the supervision of Solicitors and barristers.  You see them and they take all details etc etc and then they provide you with appropriate legal advice.

 

There may be a scheme by you that offers this.    Also a lot of solicitors used to give 30 mins free advice...not sure if they still do this but again worth investigating.

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