NO LONGER SELLING DUE TO SIMPLE DELIVERY

[rugbyguy1960]

AS OF 15TH APRIL MY DAYS AS A PRIVATE EBAY SELLER WILL STOP AFTER 19 YEARS.

I AM FED UP OF THE GREED OF EBAY AND I HOPE OTHER EBAY SELLERS DECIDE TO NO LONGER LET THE EBAY CONTROL FREAKS HAVE THIS MUCH CONTROL OVER PRIVATE SELLERS.

[leighbayuk]

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@superchallenge wrote:

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So as a private seller, if I want £10 for an item, and I list the item at £10, do I not get £10 when it sells?

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Only in the case of a Buy It Now listing which sells at the asking price (BFP is added on and so the buyer pays more).

In the the case of a £10 auction sale or offer from a buyer, the BFP is deducted and so the seller gets less.

[gmij1961]

@jonatjonatjonat

Is there a reason why your feedback profile is not visible , that looks a bit odd to me  ?

"Starting Oct 1, 2024, it is free to sell for UK-based private sellers. Sellers do not pay transaction fees when the item sells."

But that ended the day BPF was imposed on the platform  as if the buyer puts up a different price/starting bid  to what the seller sees that constitute a selling fee for all intents and purposes .  That advert has not changed  or removed as a result  and is blatantly misleading in its message .   

Ebays BPF  excuse pages  are meaningless  as 24/7 helpline or delaying seller payment has nothing do with offering the buyer a form of  insurance .  I think there is an indication that some so far unpublished aspects of BPF may be exist but that's more to cover Ebay legal implication, as SD changes the relationship between buyer and seller to a point Ebay are probably now  selling it on and the buyer is now buying from a business  (Ebay ) . If  that is the case  Ebay have to give  seller protection being a business . 

The Feedback mechanism is  a vital way of protecting a buyer as it acts like a statement of behaviour  , having been using the platform for 22 years  it helps spot  genuine people etc and yours isn't visible  !

[fatbob*ian]

Just had a message from eBay advising me to "have a clear out this long weekend" it's easy and (free to sell) yes they did put it in brackets, maybe they're wondering why I haven't listed anything for the last 3 weeks 🤔 try reading the posts eBay.

[superchallenge]

Ahh, I see - thanks for the explanation!

[myoldpaperclutter]

I may get the asking price, but let’s be honest, all these recent changed have been dreadful. No one is really selling much. And if no one is selling much then no one is buying much. And that will eventually effect business sellers. This ebay greed will eventually back fire!

[freetraders66]

I know this has already been said many times but...

BPF offers nothing more than the existing consumer law which has to be enforced by any selling platform anyway.   It is a device to grab more money by greedbay pure and simple. So is SD and yet these two "developments" are destroying private sales by the 1000s and this will knock on to business sales.  

Everyone loses except EBAY although one wonders if this will have a negative effect on thier bottom line in the end.

We can but hope. 

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@rugbyguy1960 wrote:

AS OF 15TH APRIL MY DAYS AS A PRIVATE EBAY SELLER WILL STOP AFTER 19 YEARS.

I AM FED UP OF THE GREED OF EBAY AND I HOPE OTHER EBAY SELLERS DECIDE TO NO LONGER LET THE EBAY CONTROL FREAKS HAVE THIS MUCH CONTROL OVER PRIVATE SELLERS.

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[jonatjonatjonat]

Not sure what you are accusing me of but I’m a valid eBay user.

I’ll tell you the issue. The link to my feedback from the forum links to my old username which I recently changed. Clearly eBay forums don’t update some links.

for your protection here you go

https://feedback.ebay.co.uk/fdbk/feedback_profile/jonatjonatjonat?&ssPageName=STRK:ME:UFS

as for some unpublished aspect of the BPF. How about the bit you didn’t mention? A secure payment system. I’d say this is what eBay are covering with buyer protection fee (in the main)

[cyclingjason090]

So you're saying for the last 20 odd years ebay have been using an UNSECURED payment system?

[jonatjonatjonat]

oh for god sake.

a secure payment system from 20 years ago would not be secure today.

it only remains secure through constant protection. Things like servers, staff, constant research to remain secure doesn’t come free.

[cyclingjason090]

"Oh for god sake"

I kind of expected that reply.

The secure payment system is a 'benefit' of the new bpf,  what a load of bobbins.

[tressygirl]

gmij1961  wrote:

 

jonatjonatjonat

Is there a reason why your feedback profile is not visible , that looks a bit odd to me  ?

I have been seeing this odd,  ' problem with this page please reload'  on quiet a few feedback profiles. 

Started a few days ago.

[moonlight-rhapsody]

"it only remains secure through constant protection. Things like servers, staff, constant research to remain secure doesn’t come free."

Those are normal expenses that every online business has to pay for.  Every other business I've ever come across accounts for it in the normal way out of gross profit.   As far as I know, only ebay thinks buyers should pay a separate fee for receiving the secure service that online buyers are entitled to receive.  So not only are they protecting their gross profit, I would suggest that it's also a nice little earner.

[bertiedog4]

What happens if I sell a paper item just under £10 to someone in the US?  Can I send it with my custom postage?

[sunflowers4me59]

Well done, thinking about a petition, Andyf117 has started one and it's gathering pace!

[jonatjonatjonat]

the BPF is literally how eBay profit from a private seller sale. It replaced the seller fees. eBay might not say that, because no sane business would market that way, but they have. 

you can argue they are charging too much, or that they should go back to seller fees, but they do need to profit from the sale in some way.

any other business normally builds expenses like paying for a secure payment service (which includes card or PayPal processing fees I would add) into their product pricing.

[jonatjonatjonat]

it being a benefit is just marketing. 

you can hardly expect eBay to say “the BPF is how we profit from the sale”

but, eBay have expenses to cover on a sale, and most sane businesses tend to also want to make a profit on top of those expenses.

again you can argue charging buyers isn’t the right way to go about it, but eBay currently believe it’s the right way to do so.

[jma2815]

You’ve questioned both mine and Jonat’s feedback profiles on this thread. You even went to the trouble of publishing two of my sales and feedbacks here. 

We’ve both been gracious enough to answer your concerns so I’ll ask you (again) - Why are you going into thread contributors selling accounts and checking up? 

[moonlight-rhapsody]

I agree with what you've said.  I think it's the "deception" that doesn't sit well - introducing it as a buyers protection when it really looks more like a straight replacement for the sellers fee.  It smacks of "double-speak", like calling something "Simple Delivery" when it's clearly anything but.  If businesses aren't honest with their customers, it leads to loss of trust and a whole lot of trouble, as ebay are discovering.

[thesmi42]

As I understand it, it is only when a prospective buyer makes an offer that the BPF is included within that offer (because that is what the buyer intends to pay).  Auctions are unaffected.

Someone made the point (on another thread I think) that the seller should rightly respond with a counter offer having re-calculated the amount they want to receive after taking BPF into account e.g. A counter offer of £11.12 will mean that the seller receives £10.

It is a shame though, that the matter of negotiation between two parties has been muddied by BPF.

Anyway this doesn't really have much to do with Simple Delivery.

[honeymonster007]

Heads just spinning reading these boards with all the,if's, buts and whatabout's