Massive Shipwreck with no Lifeboats

[baillin-0]

Been wondering since eBay did the changes, do's anyone there bother watching or listening what their once happy customers think about them.

Obviously they do not because nobody likes them. 

Majority saying they are thinking about leaving and jumping ship.

Wake up eBay.

Talk about keep the band playing while the ship goes down.

[theelench]

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@superchallenge wrote:

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@theelench wrote:

If, as you say, putting so much effort into complaining is a futile waste of time, surely spending as much time and effort on your elaborate rebuttals is an even more so.  Why not let the fire burn itself out rather than keep flinging more fuel on the flames by arguing ?

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Because if the moaners and whiners stopped bogarting every single thread and allowed it to be, this place could actually be useful. It could become a place where people can share ideas, engage in discussions, offer advice, lend a hand, and make more sales. At that point, when there's constructive conversation and the entire place isn't just the same five to ten people shouting "eBAY IS TEH WORST" over and over again, maybe - and admittedly,  the odds are slim - there's a chance that it could be a place that eBay takes seriously.

Yet, if the people who are "complaining about complaining" just give up and walk away, then the boards just fall into ruin. They become a festering pit of humanity just reassuring each other that nothing is their problem, nothing they ever do can be improved, and that eBay is the cause of every issue. "It's not that nobody wants to pay £8 for the macaroni portrait of a duck you saw once, Brian! It definitely isn't that you had your thumb over the lens when you took your one photo of it or that you gave it an item title of 'DUCK PICSHURE RARE.' It's that eBay threw the BPF on top! It's the Chinese sellers they don't do anything about! It's that they've 'hidden' your listings! "

I'm not saying that people shouldn't be heard and shouldn't be able to speak their mind. They should. I think BPF and SD are the absolute pits myself. But I can't see that ruining every single conversation or posting the same topic day after day after day is helping anyone.

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I think it's rather rich and somewhat hypocritical to pretend that you're concerned about the quality of discussion and advice on this board, when you and an even smaller number used it for months to mount a campaign against ebay's failure to do anything about businesses operating on private accounts.

You and a few others derailed every thread you could, regardless of the topic or that advice was being sought and were instrumental in making it useless as a resource to anyone other than yourselves and your campaign.  You had no consideration for anyone other than yourselves and your campaign to point out as many incorrectly registered business sellers as possible, no matter how that adversely affected anyone else.

I have no idea what you mean by 'bogarting', presumably something close to hijacking ?  So I'll just point out that this thread was started with the sole purpose of complaining about ebay's recent restrictions on private sellers  --  no taking it off topic, apart from you telling (almost) everyone who wants to complain, how wrong we all are  --  yet again.

If you're really at all worried about the standard of help and advice available on this board perhaps your time might be better spent giving advice to those in need rather than pointlessly annoying those who do not and just want to vent their anger at ebay ? 

[vinylscot]

If a wrongly registered "private" seller comes onto these boards, their seller status, as often as not, will influence the type of answer they will (and should) receive. 

Should we be replying "Well, if you want to continue trading illegally, you should do this..."?

Or should it be pointed out that they are registered incorrectly, and urged to reconsider their status (and then given appropriate advice)?

I do acknowledge that many such sellers simply don't know any better; eBay has turned a blind eye for so long; but that doesn't mean they should just be able to carry on as they were. If eBay's not going to do anything, then the other members need to step in.

I also agree that it often goes way OTT. Point it out once, maybe with one other poster confirming, then drop it. The seller knows by then; there's no need to labour the point.

[goodibags]

How would YOU possibly know if someone is incorrectly registered, except for a handful of the most blatant cases?

With respect, never forget how (generally) ignorant you are.

[superchallenge]

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@theelench wrote:

I think it's rather rich and somewhat hypocritical to pretend that you're concerned about the quality of discussion and advice on this board, when you and an even smaller number used it for months to mount a campaign against ebay's failure to do anything about businesses operating on private accounts.

You and a few others derailed every thread you could, regardless of the topic or that advice was being sought and were instrumental in making it useless as a resource to anyone other than yourselves and your campaign.  You had no consideration for anyone other than yourselves and your campaign to point out as many incorrectly registered business sellers as possible, no matter how that adversely affected anyone else.

It would be hypocritical of me indeed. But when somebody rolls in and complains about BPF or SD when they're a business using a private account, what is one supposed to say? "Well, Noble Seller! Give me a second while I pay all the fees I have to pay, and then I'll pop back and give you some advice on how to best continue diddling the system so you can trade for free!"

Also, I wasn't here between September and February, so I don't know how many months my apparent campaign of rage against illegal private selling has been going on for. Sure, I've pointed it out when I've seen it, but you're absolutely overblowing it to fit your narrative, as is the usual way.

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@theelench wrote:

I have no idea what you mean by 'bogarting', presumably something close to hijacking ?  So I'll just point out that this thread was started with the sole purpose of complaining about ebay's recent restrictions on private sellers  --  no taking it off topic, apart from you telling (almost) everyone who wants to complain, how wrong we all are  --  yet again.

If you're really at all worried about the standard of help and advice available on this board perhaps your time might be better spent giving advice to those in need rather than pointlessly annoying those who do not and just want to vent their anger at ebay ? 

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What would be the point? You've just used your first two paragraphs to tell me that giving advice such as "You wouldn't be dealing with BPF and SD if you were registered properly" is a bad thing and that I've been running a campaign of terror that has killed all discussion.

But you're right. I have hijacked this thread. It is apparently a terrible thing to say "Yeah, we get it...we got it in the HUNDREDS of other threads posted about the subject so maybe enough already with this, huh?" and for that, I am eternally sorry.

I must say that it does seem strange that hijacking a thread is a cardinal sin, but a certain group of people hijacking the entire board to create the same threads and respond with the same responses, day after day, week after week, month after month is apparently fine, though. Not to worry. Maybe I'm just not bright enough to understand the rules. I'll take a strictly watching brief from now on.

Y'all have fun, now.

[theelench]

I agree but a bunch of regulars did labour the point again and again and again for months without let-up.  Not just one reminder and a seconder, but the same ten or so jumping on as many threads as possible, all saying exactly the same thing at intervals to completely disrupt the topic and prevent any coherent discussion.

No consideration for the damage they were doing when it suited their agenda.  But apparently now private sellers should not keep complaining as it doesn't suit those who did so much damage themselves.  Hopefully they will keep complaining doing so with better manners and more consideration than the AYRAB hunters, allowing those who give good and helpful advice to continue doing so, unlike they ever did.

I did suggest several time that the Mods. should stop such disruption by removing all posts after the first as "Disruptive and Repetitive Posting" as it's against board guidelines.  But I think they probably missed my suggestions? 

[vinylscot]

"A handful" - who are you trying to kid?

It's probably 20% of those posters who are NEW to these boards. And that's only those we see.

I repeat, if eBay dealt with it properly, this wouldn't need to be happening.

But eBay didn't deal with it properly, and still aren't. So am I, and all the other properly registered business sellers supposed to just stand by when some pseudo "private" seller can undercut our prices because he pays no fees? That ain't gonna happen.

You're a genuine private seller (unless you also have a business account - I don't know), so this doesn't affect you. I'm sure you wouldn't be quite so "hands-off" if it was you on the wrong end of the deal.

[johnwash1]

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@bojangled wrote:

@wyntersemporium I agree V do exactly the same thing, and it’s just so uncomplicated and transparent.

Jo

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Over there can one easily opt for selling with RM only, with collection from your house?  Even though RM now charge an extra 30p I need that convenience and gladly pay it.

[baillin-0]

Suppose you are right telling me, why I am not mentioning my buying and selling and how its effecting me.

Simple answer. I have stopped buying, not sure anymore since the changes how items will get to me.

Not taking any chances with these labels!

Might end up having to go and fetch them from somewhere who knows?

As far as selling not done any of that either, I decided on 15th April if I cannot just stick a stamp on my buyers addressed envelope and put it in my local post box, then I do not want to know,

Done it without any problems for years and that's if I get buyers.

O.K. eBays only a hobby for me, and of course I know how a business is run and that they have to make a profit, but has one of their customers I have every right to comment on what they are doing. 

[crn303]

Exactly on so many points.

[krafty-kreations]

Suppose you are right telling me, why I am not mentioning my buying and selling and how its effecting me.

I am not telling you anything, I am saying what I think personally and I think a little rant about why you are no longer buying a selling would go further than The Band is playing whilst the ship is going down, nobody likes you eBay, everyone is leaving!! 

Myself personally I do not like the changes at all and I think it is sad to see private sellers no longing selling, It may only be a hobby but I bet it is something you also really enjoy doing.

I don't think eBay will do a u-turn on this unless it costs them money.

I do hope all those affected find somewhere else to sell and carry on enjoying their hobby.

I am also under no illusion Business sellers may well be next on the eBay hit list.

[1956glyn]

Myself personally I do not like the changes at all and I think it is sad to see private sellers no longing selling, It may only be a hobby but I bet it is something you also really enjoy doing.

I too do not like the changes at all.    For hubby and i yes its just a hobby which we USED to enjoy.  Not anymore  😞   

I also 100% agree that Business sellers may well be next on the Ebay hit list.

IF we are FORCED just to use simple delivery that is totally the end of us listing on the site.  I am not currently buying (fortunately we can still afford to buy) because there are way less items being listed in our fav couple of categories and the prices are becoming extortionate lately. Less choice (main reason) and way higher prices.

[baillin-0]

Isn't advising a person and telling a person the same? when even thinking it, to me it is, mind you what do I know I left school straight into engineering at 14 years old.

No buying or selling on line in those days and telephones were housed in those big red boxes end of the street that you can now buy and put in your garden as a feature.

Sorry if you think I RANT, I don't really care that much to rant about the goings on at eBay.

My buying and selling days with them was a hobby, being a philatelist I sold some stamps from my collections.

Finding now selling is no longer worth it unless I give them away, I stray on here to see what other people are saying and of course tongue in cheek get my oar in.       

[krafty-kreations]

Nope advising is just that advising, you don't have to take anyone's advice

Sorry if you think I RANT

I didn't say that I said you should rant!

But hey ho, I will leave you to your sinking ships and band players.

[krafty-kreations]

IF we are FORCED just to use simple delivery that is totally the end of us listing on the site.  I am not currently buying (fortunately we can still afford to buy) because there are way less items being listed in our fav couple of categories and the prices are becoming extortionate lately. Less choice (main reason) and way higher prices.

I agree about the prices, I am buying less on ebay now with the added BPF and the extra on postage some things just aren't worth buying now. 

[baillin-0]

Sorry you have lost me now! what you are advising me to do is confusing, and I soon get confused.

I did say I left school at 14, and in those days if someone told you to rant and you was daft enough to do so you would probably get the cane. So no thanks. 

Fun aside though and my sinking ships, I think we both do agree on not liking eBays new changes and what they are doing.