Make SD Optional and BPF - Revert to Seller Fees

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Make SD Optional

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BPF - Revert to Seller Fees

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"For next time the coffers need replenishing.  'Cos rest assured with ebay there will always be a next time and they will always have a plan in place to squeeze yet more from those that remain to be squeezed."

 

Indeed, some companies add value to their product to entice and retain customers;  ebay do the exact opposite and succeed in getting rid of them!

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@thepillenwerfer wrote:

 

 

Simple Delivery suits me slightly better.  If I accept e-Bay's recommended size/weight and my item is over it's not my problem and the Buyer saves money.  I also seem to be able to book Royal Mail collections at no cost.  I agree it would be a problem if I wished to sell things that could be posted as normal letters (of which I've sold less than a handful over the years) or something that is too big for RM or Evri but was able to pack and believed somebody would be prepared to pay carriage on (which I've never done).

 

I sell things I no longer need or want and anything I get is more than a charity shop (if they'd even take the items) or the binmen will give me.  Not everything I list sells but it never has.  I can't check for sure but think my success rate is actually higher than in the past; that isn't to say it's be because e-Bay has improved of course — it could be because there are fewer people listing similar things or that I've got better as selling.

 

 


I picked those 2 paragraphs out, because I could have written them myself!

Especially the bit I made bold (bolded?). This week I sent an item that would have cost the buyer around a fiver sent 'normally', for £2.26, thanks to eBay deciding my 2kg+ parcel was a 1kg LL.

I have had a few like that, and for the ones that work the other way (eBay decide it's a parcel, when it's only a LL) I just select the correct size band when I list.

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Please tell me, how can sellers reduce their prices on low priced, fixed priced (BIN) items.

 

Remember £0.99p is the lowest you can list a BIN item on ebay. From your post you are expecting sellers to cut their throats just so buyers continue to get the same prices before ebay imposed the BPF.

 

Again...how can a seller absorb the £0.75p BPF on a £0.99p BIN item or for that matter the BPF on a listed item anywhere between £ 0.99p and £7.99p. If you have a suggestion then by all means I would love to hear your suggestion.

 

The majority of ebay sellers want to give their customers the very best deal and price, but that has become near impossible to do so since the imposition of the BPF. With cut-throat competition on ebay when selling in certain categories, sellers DO NOT want to sell items at a loss to themselves ... or is this what you are advocating just so you and other buyers see no increase to their purchase price.

Do you go to your local supermarket and demand they sell their products at a price to suit you after say a 10% rise to cover their costs (supermarket prices are hardly competitive making it difficult to shop around for the weekly shop) so WHY do you expect this from ebay sellers.

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Very true. But when a buyer factors in the additional £0.75p BPF could they just think I will only bid up to £0.99p (inc the BPF) and leave it there.

 

I will admit ebay has become even more of a buyers market, especially if buyers feel they want sellers to absorb ebay's impossed BPF.

 

I have always tried to pass on savings to my buyers. So when I purchase low priced (new) stamps on ebay for my postage, I pass these savings on by reducing my Royal Mail 1st class letter rate from the R.M. rate of £1.70p to £1.15p including packing and printing a Packing Slip.

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Since 99p is the lowest for a BIN item and BPF has to be added on top so that items become too expensive - doesn’t that tell you something?

 

As I’ve said umpteen times before, maybe there's a message there - just maybe they don’t want these any more?

 

And no, I don’t expect sellers to cut their throats - I was a seller here once myself so know the score.

 

But there’s not only the tunnel of BINs - there are auctions as well and I’ve noticed a few more auctions lately than before.

 

But if auctions don’t suit your model, then all you have are BINs and the associated problems which come with that model.

 

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Good stuff ... well said.

 

Ebay are in a downward spiral .. always trying to find ways to "pump their profits" and at the same time impossing changes, because rather than trying to be a different, a unique platform, they want to follow the herd of the likes of amazon and now vinted.

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So £0.75p BPF for a £0.99p sale you are saying is fair and covers ebay's legitimate costs or is this to cover their losses and maintain their profits.

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I get the impression that it doesn’t really matter what I think but yes, I imagine it’s about right to cover their various costs and make what they deem a reasonable profit.

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@theelench wrote:

 

For next time the coffers need replenishing.  'Cos rest assured with ebay there will always be a next time and they will always have a plan in place to squeeze yet more from those that remain to be squeezed.


Can you name one business that isn't always looking at new ways to make money?

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Remember this is per item not per order ...

So as an example: if you purchase 5 items at £0.99p you will also pay 5x £0.75p BPF.

 

Are you saying that before BPF's were imposed you were paying £3.75p in fees which the seller added to the BIN price for 5 items totalling £4.95p.

 

Now with BPF you have gone from paying £4.95p for 5 items to £8.70p inc. the BPF.

 

Oh yeah! Do you still think sellers are ripping you off? No it's ebay who is ripping you off.

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Oh I should stress this is not on. The BPF should be per order not per item

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I know it's now per item and not per order as it was previously  - I don't need reminding.

 

That's why I said above (if you remember) that I, and I assume others, no longer buy more than one item from a private seller (except for a few where I'm an old customer of theirs).

 

So, no, since I'm buying only single items, at the right price, I'm not being ripped off by anyone.

 

Yes, it's a buyer's market at the moment and I've changed my buying habits accordingly - perhaps some sellers need to change their selling model if the current one isn't working?

 

If BINs aren't working for you now, and nothing changes, they're still not going to work for you in the future.

 

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Why should I, we're talking about ebay.

 

If you think their business model is worth defending, do so.

Ebay has been ramping up fees and profits with every change it's introduced over the past few years.

 

But it seems to have forgotten about growing sales, especially when it comes to private sellers.

Defend that if you can.  Or are they out the equation now on ebay as they'd rather be a business only site?

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I beg to differ.  It's a business sellers market now.

 

Private sellers have been hobbled by the latest restrictions.

Buyers are only shown Sponsored listings (from business sellers)

 

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"Now with BPF you have gone from paying £4.95p for 5 items to £8.70p inc. the BPF."

 

BPF is 75p plus 4% of the item price.  So 5 items at £99p would cost the buyer £8.90.  And if the items are over 100g or the prescribed size, they would have to be sent by Simple Delivery where the buyer would have to pay extra to cover tracking.

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Buyers are only shown Sponsored listings (from business sellers)

 

A rather sweeping statement?

 

So how am I shown business and private seller listings in my searches?

 

I buy from private sellers; their items must show up - so are they special?

 

Like everything elsewhere, I'd rather many things went back to the way they were but I doubt very much many things will.

 

 

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@theelench wrote:

Why should I, we're talking about ebay.

 

If you think their business model is worth defending, do so.

Ebay has been ramping up fees and profits with every change it's introduced over the past few years.

 

But it seems to have forgotten about growing sales, especially when it comes to private sellers.

Defend that if you can.  Or are they out the equation now on ebay as they'd rather be a business only site?


eBay is a business. Businesses are constantly look at ramping up prices. I don't understand why you think they shouldn't try and up revenue.

Why would private sellers be 'out of the equation' now?  If eBay want rid, they could simple close the site to private sellers - but why would they?  I'm a private seller, because of that my sales are up and down, depending what I'm listing, but currently, I'm happy with the amount I'm selling, and with the price I'm getting. Most of it goes, just a few things that don't sell set aside for a boot sale later in the year or the charity shop.

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I've never seen the point of listing something at 99p BIN even of there were NO fees for ANYBODY to pay.  I value my time too highly to spend it a making a listing and (hopefully) packing and posting something for 99p.  The exception would be a large Collection Only item that I simply wanted somebody to rid me of.

 

In the days when 99p listings were common that was starting price for auctions (Buy It Nows were only available to Business Sellers) so there was always the hope that the item offered for that would make far more.  Don't forget that in "The good old days" you'd have to pay an insertion fee if you started an auction at a higher price, unless you waited for one of the infrequent Free Listing Weekends.

 

Cacas vendit.
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@ruby*ryan 

"eBay is a business. Businesses are constantly look at ramping up prices. I don't understand why you think they shouldn't try and up revenue."

 

Businesses are constantly looking at increasing profits, not prices.  The Laffer Curve is about taxation, but I'm sure there's something very similar for business pricing models.

 

@thepillenwerfer 

I'm happy to see you posting here regularly (seriously, I am), but it does make me chuckle when I see posters in these forums saying they value their time.  Ironic.

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A fair point but reading this forum is far more entertaining than writing e-Bay listings or packing parcels.

Cacas vendit.
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