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03-01-2025 2:27 PM
So I have been a seller on and off her since June 2001, Over the years I have sent items recorded delivery that either never turn up , or arrive with no notification of delivery. Now someone wants to charge a buyer a fee for safe delivery, when they would have been charged that in the P&P cost. Frankly it sounds more like a scam than customer service and Ebay are also trying to force us to use their shipping option, So much for free enterprise, sound like trying to get the monopoly on delivery as well. As for hanging on the sellers cash til 2 days after delivery, really so post office goes on strike and you don't get paid, Think I may start looking to leave. So much for eBay's loyalty to us .
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14-02-2025 6:07 PM
Oh wow. I completely forgot that part. That would have really p***"d off the big 3 in my area.
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14-02-2025 6:09 PM
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14-02-2025 6:13 PM - edited 14-02-2025 6:14 PM
Good for you.
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14-02-2025 6:18 PM
You’re right - it’s definitely a private seller rip off. Mentor on! 😂
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14-02-2025 6:34 PM
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14-02-2025 6:46 PM
Buyers are not stupid - why do so many sellers think they are?
If any seller's price is right, buyers will be interested and will buy - but if it the price is too high, they won't - and that applies to all sellers.
But competition between genuine private sellers and genuine business sellers is an entirely different thing than competition between pseudo-private chancers and genuine business sellers.
And, as I've asked before, how many private sellers reduced their prices by approx 13%+ when "free fees" applied?
Some did - but I do wonder how many others?
In those cases - pot, kettle.
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14-02-2025 6:51 PM
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14-02-2025 6:51 PM - edited 14-02-2025 7:00 PM
@dogrobinsnest wrote:
Yes nothing to say to that have you mr Mentor? I have another question for you . Once the private seller who have given the business sellers a little competition has been sent to the touch line. I am sure the Business sellers wouldn’t dream of upping there prices,watch this space.
You must have missed my response.
In respect of your new question, (although I can't actually see a '?'). I don't believe genuine private sellers are in competition with business sellers.
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14-02-2025 6:54 PM
Business sellers fees did not reduce.
Lol - didn't you realise that?
The "free fees" only applied to private sellers - doh!
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14-02-2025 6:58 PM
Absolutely. I sold, until last week, low price vinyl. P&P included. An approximate example: A £4 single including P&P, 2nd Class Large Letter. So if sold after postage, special envelope for vinyl I end up with £2.35 on a record that in some cases cost me say £1.50 two years or so ago. A personal possession in most instances. Profit 0.85p approx.
Under the new rip off from ebay, I could not, if I read it right, include post because my buyer chooses it! Bizarre in itself. The buyer would choose probably 1st class tracked at about £2.20. Profit 10p. But in reality I'd have to adjust the price down by approx 85p because of the BPF. So I lose 75p! Consequently its no longer worth listing anything probably under a tenner as 100s of private sellers keep saying and are leaving by the dozens as we speak. And despite what others will argue, whatever you sell whether its 40 years old or 6 months old you paid something for it, and even then you have a £1k a year tax free window before you have to declare anything to the tax man. your item also has to be under 6 months old anyway. And in the real world the last thing he will be doing is chasing a few people for £20 unpaid tax. Its simply not cost effective when you consider HMRC is paying people their state pensions who have been dead for 3 years. He is after those undercutting genuine business sellers with £1000s of undeclared income when he gets the time!
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14-02-2025 7:20 PM
Any private seller selling their personal possessions such as vinyl, blu-rays,dvds or cds are directly in competition with business sellers. Have a look - a few big businesses out there that buy other people’s personal possessions for pennies and sell them on for profit. Nothing wrong with that but to claim that genuine private sellers are not in completion with these businesses suggests a lack of awareness about eBay’s markets. Anyway, private sellers will end up paying for the buyer’s ‘protection’ along with a percentage to eBay for their postage costs - that’s a strange one…
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14-02-2025 8:16 PM
Your not a private seller You are quite clearly a business. Looking at your sales you have not only been avoiding ebays fees you are also avoiding paying tax on your income
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14-02-2025 8:28 PM
Sorry, but who are you replying to?
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14-02-2025 8:32 PM - edited 14-02-2025 8:33 PM
It may be true that private sellers are not always in 'competition' with business sellers and, as you point out, will always be able to undercut them (especially if not reliant on the income).
BUT business sellers still have to pay those swingeing Buyer Fees if they want to buy from them, so will be increasingly reluctant to do so.
(for info, I sold a bundle of cheap records to a business seller just days before the fees started)
Ultimately, BPFs are not an obvious recipe for encouraging more sales. Isn't this the one thing that makes the Ebay Wheels turn?
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14-02-2025 8:34 PM
Had 500 bubble envelopes on my private account for sale at £69.95, looked at the listing and the price was £73.47, ie £ 3.52 for ebay's new little earner.........well they would be sent via DPD tracked with insurance, so the buyer is already paying for any eventuality.
SO WHAT'S IT FOR EBAY...??
Listing deleted as this does not feel right to me, i won't be selling on ebay again.
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14-02-2025 8:39 PM
In terms of the fees I really do think we have to look at business sellers, they pay 12.8% I believe.
So we add the fee we have to pay in it seems fair to me as a private seller. Let's be real free selling with no fees as a private seller wasn't going to last.
However the way they have implemented this is a mess, it should be like how it shows with v@@inted. What buyers see for private sellers is currently a s*** show.
Don't get me started on holding funds for privates, but that's not the point of this overall topic
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14-02-2025 8:52 PM
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14-02-2025 9:03 PM
You are very incorrect. I was a private seller, selling as an "individual" aka sole trader.
I have to continue submitting my tax returns each year now since 2 yrs ago I submitted my tax return because my income was a grand total of just over £1250, and I got an email back from HMRC saying that there was no need to submit anything, although their website clearly states any income over £1200 from self employment must be declared. They also said that since I'd made a tax return, they'd require one every year regardless of whether my income meets the threshold.
As I said, I made hardly any money, but it was enough to keep me going between jobs.
Just because I made a fair amount of sales, those sales didn't exactly turn into profit considering my materials costs, shipping on the materials, wastage through trial and error to achieve specific customer requirements, delivery costs, packaging materials plus shipping costs, and expensive replacement parts on my machines (no cheap generic parts, only genuine), rent and electricity costs.
I was originally planning to operate as a printing business until my unit was broken into, smashed up and several items stolen to fund the thieves drug habits, I then had to sell my printer, of which eBay pocketed a good £450+ cut of the sale price and ditch the business idea because the damage done and stolen items cost me my startup funding.
Because I still had the vinyl cutter, and could ultimately operate that from home, I kept that going so I had just about enough money to feed myself whilst I looked for work. Sales steadily grew and I gained a loyal repeat customer base. I kept it going mostly to continue supplying products for my repeat customers, but now it's just impossible to continue. I can't ask my customers to pay more than I was already asking, it doesn't sit right with me and for me to absorb the additional costs, that's not even remotely possible.
To give you an example of the realistic income of one product that may of sold for £20, I'd spend sometime anywhere between 3hrs to 24hrs designing (if required) and making that product. Break down that £20 into an hourly wage before other expenses, and you can see just how much money I earned. Some months I could have as much as £350 of sales, other months I'd be lucky to make £70 of sales. I was working on growing my sales, but with working a full time job, growth was very slow. eBay was essentially my safety net for if, and when my employers do the dirty on me and leave me unemployed suddenly - very common in the courier/delivery business.
I'm actually not even too bothered about myself in regards to eBay because as I said, I currently have a full time job and so money isn't an issue and my free time is very limited, but my dad, as no doubt with many other low value item sellers, will suffer big time because of this stealth tax.
Buyers aren't stupid, and they'll rapidly turn to purchasing goods direct from China over paying inflated prices on eBay.
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14-02-2025 9:17 PM
I'm a comic collector, im at the stage where I want to get rid of bulk for some expensive key books. Its not that they are items I don't want. Sometimes I'm really really tempted to cancel a sale ( I never have ). If you chopped in a car to buy a newer one you wouldn't be 'its dead money doesn't matter if I don't get the fmv for it'
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14-02-2025 9:17 PM
Sole traders are businesses run by individuals, they are not 'private sellers' and they need an ebay business account to comply with consumer (not tax) law.
It's really that simple.

