EBay asking for national insurance number

Hi everyone, I recently joined for like 1 month and I start selling as a private seller , and now eBay is asking me to provide national insurance number.

"New UK digital sales reporting legislation requires sellers with 30 or more sales, or who have sales exceeding £1740 in a calendar year, to register this information"

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Yet again, just like with the SD fiasco, one has to wonder if those with the power to make these decisions ever use, or have ever used ebay to sell anything.

 

It's pretty obvious that ebay's senior management never have.  So how about Treasury / HMRC Mandarins or the Chancellor or even MPs that sit on Scrutiny Committees ?

 

It's always easy to make those "difficult decisions" when the decision makers are very, very unlikely to ever have to suffer the consequences when it all goes wrong and we get to read (YET AGAIN) about another data breach or hack that has resulted in millions of passwords/account details/personal details being put onto the dark web.

 

Those that endangered the rest of us will, as is traditional these days, not suffer any consequences when the inevitable happens but neither will they have to provide any form of restitution for the wrecked lives or suffer any penalty for having done so.  True to form the business leaders and those who are supposed to be both our guardians and servants will shrug their shoulders, walk away and mutter to themselves "Well, that didn't go too well.  What shall we try next ?"

 

If you're even required to do so, you go ahead and hand your NINO to ebay if you feel inclined to take that risk.  If you're not, then I think you should stop trying to persuade others to put themselves in harms way while you remain on the sidelines with nothing to fear.

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There is a risk in a lot of things you do, including stepping outside your
own front door, but in your own interests you should always seek to
minimise risks and not extend them. Compliance will everything that is
questionable (which you seem to imply) does not seem sensible to me!
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And?
Ebay is under a legal obligation to get this information. If you submit the information on the form, that's all that is required. If you think about it, customers also like to know that the person they are dealing with is a real person, traceable and accountable, so this bureaucratic demand also strengthens the consumer's trust in the marketplace.

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Not quite sure what your point is there.
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There is no legal requirement for eBay to have a sellers NI. They can
request it on any new account application they wish, even make it sound
like a legal requirement, and decline the application if it’s not given,
but for anyone who already has an account and declines to retrospectively
supply, all eBay can do is take action on the the account while informing
HMRC.
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There is a legal requirement.   Ebay can avoid fines for not providing it provided they can demonstrate due diligence in attempting to get it, which can include freezing funds.

 

I don't think anyone has said there is a legal requirement for sellers to provide it to ebay, there isn't, but if they don't provide it they have to accept the consequences. 

 

It's a personal choice whether or not to provide it and I dont think any member should try and influence the choice of another member, either way.

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@theelench wrote:

 

 

If you're even required to do so, you go ahead and hand your NINO to ebay if you feel inclined to take that risk.  If you're not, then I think you should stop trying to persuade others to put themselves in harms way while you remain on the sidelines with nothing to fear.


I merely posted a link to an official page. I didn't say, 'do it' I didn't say, 'don't do it'. It's up to everyone to make their  own decision, and those decisions are down to the individual. I have no interest whatsoever in whether people do or do not, or in trying to influence anyone's decision.

These are discussion boards, there are pros and cons, people can give their views, if you disagree, fine,  put forward your opposing view, politely,  but don't try and make out that by providing a link to gov.uk page I am putting people in harms way - that's really scraping the barrel.


(At least we can continue to agree on Quintessence 😉 )

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Ye gods, first world problems.

 

It's real simple - if eBay ask for your national insurance number you need to provide it if you wish to continue to sell on their platform and release any held funds.

 

If you believe that four horsemen are going to start appearing on the horizon if you do give them your national insurance number, then stop selling now before you start approaching the criteria and end up with held funds.

 

And give thanks that this is the only issue that you have to fret about on a sunny Sunday.

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at the risk of getting put out to grass for a couple of days i will say you are talking a lot of rot!  E bay do have a legal obligation to get the NI number from anyone using their site that falls into the requirement catergory..  They only have the option to suspend/ban the account and inform the HMRC of the refusal etc but that does not detract from it being a legal obligation.

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i was not bothered about handing over my NI , did it as soon as i was asked to.  What does bother me is SD so i have migrated to the other e site and see how that works out.  We all have options and although i like a moan as well as the rest i also take action (and keep on moaning!).  Personally i cannot understand what the worry is about, even government departments get hacked!

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I don’t think you understand the difference between a legal requirement
(backed by law) and a request.

The HMRC do not have a statue behind them to instruct eBay to acquire
sellers NI.
If the seller refuses to comply then the onus falls on the HMRC who will
take up issue with the seller. And even if the seller did issue eBay with a
NI number they would check it to see if it lines up with all the other info
eBay has provided such as name, DOB, address, phone and bank details, so
it’s just a little time saving exercise from an overstretched HMRC really.

There is no law requiring a seller to give their NI to eBay.

There is no law that states eBay Must obtain the sellers NI.

Enjoy your couple of days in the grass and put plenty of sun cream on as
it’s going to be hot.
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Oh Dear! Sounds like you are putty in anyone's hands!
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There is a lot of misinformation here.

The idea of HMRC having (not having) a 'statue' behind them made me smile.  I am sure that was just a typo.

Ebay is required by law to collect and pass on the information to HMRC, including NI number.  HMRC will not take up the issue with sellers who pass the threshold but refuse to give Ebay their NINO.  They may look more closely at sellers who refuse to comply though.

 

Legislation essentially means it is law.  Ebay is required by the UK digital sales reporting legislation to collect and pass on information from its users, including their 'TIN' - National Insurance Number.

I have provided a link to the detailed summary but it begins:

 

From 1 January 2024, digital platforms and online marketplaces in the UK, such as eBay, are required to comply with the UK digital sales reporting legislation, implemented in the UK by The Platform Operators (Due Diligence and Reporting Requirements) Regulations 2023 - opens in new wi...

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/help/account/regulatory/sales-reporting/uk-digital-sales-reporting?id=5454

"There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true; the other is to refuse to believe what is true.”
Søren Kierkegaard, Danish philosopher (1813 - 1855)
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Yep it was a typo, but even so, there is still no legal requirement that
states a seller on a platform such as eBay has to provide them with a NI
number.

If a seller does not comply with a request for information from the HMRC
then the law can bite.

The link you provided is not supportive of any legal requirement on the
seller to provide eBay with a NI number.

If the person responsible for eBay’s Due Diligence fails to inform the HMRC
that the seller has refused such a request for NI information, that may be
sufficient for the HMRC to look at the application of a charges against
eBay.

But eBay would not have acted illegally by failing to procure a sellers NI
if that seller has refused to comply with such a request.

What is the legal penalty to the seller if they do not give eBay their NI
number?

Nothing. EBay can take action on the seller’s account and report them to
the HMRC but that’s the extent of it, after that it’s down to the HMRC to
contact the seller.
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I repeat, no-one has said there is a legal requirement for a seller to provide ebay with their NI number. 

 

What we are saying is that there is a legal requirement for ebay (i.e on ebay as an entity), to collect it.

 

 

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Just have to say this because I am a bit pedantic.  HMRC stands for His Majesty's Revenue and Customs and does not need to have 'the' in front of it.

The law does not say you have to give them your NI number but you will have to hand it over if you want to keep selling on the site and want eBay to pay you for the sales you have made.

It is a choice.

Like selling on eBay is a choice.

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I don't understand what you say about HMRC looking more closely at sellers
who refuse to provide their NI Numbers to eBay. Surely without the NI
Number they wont know who you are! That's why eBay are being called upon to
give it to them in the first place, so that they can identify you!
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Of course they will know who you are.

They will be given your full name, home address, date of birth and bank account details as well as the details of your sales on eBay.  Even if you don't supply your NI number eBay will still report your sales. It will take HMRC's fancy computer about 5 minutes to find your tax details.

When there is no NI number, and a note from eBay saying you refused to provide it, I think HMRC will be more interested in those accounts. I know I would wonder what you were trying to hide.

 

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But it is not a legal requirement for eBay to collect a sellers NI number.

A legal requirement is specific to a given circumstance. If eBay fail to
get a sellers NI because the seller will not supply it that does not mean
eBay is guilty of breaking the law.

And because there is no individual requirement in the legislation that
states a NI number of a seller must be obtained by eBay
it therefore can not be deemed a legal requirement.

The issue is, the legislation requirement of specifics versus the obtaining
of them.

EBay cannot be guilty of breaking the law by asking for NI information and
being denied, therefore it cannot be a legal requirement.
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I give up.  You clearly have no understanding of the law as it applies to ebay in these circumstances, or are just being 'clever' with words.

 

How do you think ebay can comply with the legal requirement to provide an individual's NI  number to HMRC together with the sales data, if they have not collected it?

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