EBay asking for national insurance number

Hi everyone, I recently joined for like 1 month and I start selling as a private seller , and now eBay is asking me to provide national insurance number.

"New UK digital sales reporting legislation requires sellers with 30 or more sales, or who have sales exceeding £1740 in a calendar year, to register this information"

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Income tax and VAT are entirely separate taxes.

 

Whether income tax is applicable has nothing to do with the condition or value of an item.  You can trade in used items of low or high value.

 

If you are just selling off old unwanted personal possessions then you will not have an income tax liability.  If you buy, make, or grow, things to sell, then you are trading and may have an income tax liability, depending on a number of factors such as sales value, costs, etc.

 

The new reporting rules have not changed anyone's liability to income tax.

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" their dictats are adopted by each of the EU member states." - incorrect, only 22 members of the EU are members of the OECD.  the OECD has member countries from across the globe; it is not, nor has it ever been, an EU organisation.  I presume you make this assumption because its headquarters are in France.

 

"so a Europe based quango is allowed to dictate to the UK." -  First it is not a quango (Quasi Autonomous Non-Governmental Organisation), it is an international organization comprised of member countries with a focus on economic policy and development.  All decisions are taken democratically; no country or body dictates anything.

 

"My main point in all of this though, is that tax has already been paid on the goods when they were new in the form of VAT." - you are registered as a private seller therefore you will not be liable to pay any tax on your sales as it is not an income.

 

"This is nothing more than a tax grab" - It will only impact people trading illegally who are not paying their due tax liabilities; so again it will not affect you as a private seller.

 

"eBay themselves have already conned everyone by charging Buyers a % for Buyer Protection (that doesn't give then anything more protection than they previously had)." - correct, however eBay were previously 'underwriting' the costs of this service paid for through fees.  Now that buyers don't have final value selling fees they have obviously decided those costs have to be met from somewhere - hence the BPF.  For the record I am not defending the BPF, I believe they should have stuck with fees for private sellers.

 

"They say this doesn't affect Sellers, but that's a lie as I've had to lower my asking prices so that the price is still attractive to Buyers." - but you can afford to lower your prices by the amount of fees you were previously paying and still make the same amount of money from the sale as you were before.

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The point is the OECD is unelected but clearly has power that only elected officials should be entrusted with, on the basis they can eventually be unelected if they don't work for the benefit of the people, and they're giving out advice to the UK who are then acting on that advice to the detriment of the UK population. I doubt there will be many Brits there and let's be honest, the EU does it's damndest to hurt the UK after the divorce. 
And I rarely sold anything on eBay that didn't have a significantly reduced fee so you're wrong to assert I previously paid their high fees. But my point is that eBay falsely claim it's 'Free To Sell' and go on to claim the 'Buyer Protection' fee isn't paid by Sellers when it clearly results in lower prices from Sellers to cover it. The Buyer sees a completely different price than the Seller lists the item for, hence it's all underhand shapr practice from an organisation that's gotten too large and no longer customer friendly.
Saying this won't affect you as you're only a private seller is naive BS, otherwise why are they demanding the tax information of every private seller?  As always, they set the criteria small to begin with, but it'll inevitably grow to ensnare more and more victims in due course as it's all about taking more money from people. 
I suspect the push back demonstrated in replies in the forum showing support of eBay/EOCD/HMRC are likely from those with a vested interest in the new rules. 
Be careful what you wish for...
  
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I am not going to correct your errors again; let's just say we agree to differ.  I prefer to deal with the facts and information as they are known today rather than get into a debate which is tending to evolve into one of conspiracy theories.

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"the OECD is all about global control and their dictats are adopted by each of the EU member states. Although the UK is no longer a member state, our weak government has adopted this particular section into the Finance Act 2."

 

FACT CHECK:  the UK was one of 20 founder member of the OECD in 1960, which was 33 years before the EU was formed in 1993.  Other founder members included the USA and Canada, with Japan, Mexico, Chile and other countries - both European and non-European - joining later. 

 

 

"And so a Europe based quango is allowed to dictate to the UK."

 

FACT CHECK:   The Headquarters building is in Paris, if that's what you mean by Europe based.  It is not a quango and nobody dictates anything to the UK or any other country - all decisions are made by consensus by ALL member states.

 

 

I can't say I'm very keen myself to bandy my NINO around to all and sundry, but putting out misleading information as if it is true is a bit too Trumpian for my liking.

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"they're giving out advice to the UK who are then acting on that advice to the detriment of the UK population. I doubt there will be many Brits there and let's be honest, the EU does it's damndest to hurt the UK after the divorce."
 
If you read the post by ett1954 - or better still, research the facts yourself before posting - you will see that the OECD is a global organisation that is separate to the EU.  And they do not "give advice" to each other - they make unanimous consensual decisions.  My post above also makes this clear.
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Yes, EOCD was founded a long time ago, for a specific purpose which was done and dusted. They've crept into other areas for their own self-serving benefit without any public vote or engagement. 
I could be wrong but I'd guess you're maybe one of those 'work at home' civil servants who love regulations and can't stand side-hustlers...
And, not to say I'm a UK Trumpy, but the big orange guy seems to have been proven to be quite effective a lot recently, and those who tried to take him down through the Dem's court cases and bullets seem to have beeen the gaslighters who're getting their just deserts through some good old-fashoined retribution... 
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Having a "side hustle" in the sense of a second job of work and source of income in addition to your main employment is fine. So give them the info they need or your account will be terminated. EBay has no discretion on how they treat you compared to anyone else.

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I don't know how anyone on eBay at the moment is paying any income tax. I've no income to tax. I wish I needed to pay tax.

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For God Sake don't tarnish this thread by mentioning Trump !!!
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"I'd guess you're maybe one of those 'work at home' civil servants who love regulations and can't stand side-hustlers..."

 

You don't have to be a civil servant to think that facts are preferable to conspiracy theories  🙄

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Completely agree - disgusting when you’re selling your own items that you’ve already paid tax on when you purchased them - then you have to justify that very same sale! 
I’m not selling on eBay any more. 

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@margotbrix1981 wrote:

Completely agree - disgusting when you’re selling your own items that you’ve already paid tax on when you purchased them - then you have to justify that very same sale! 
I’m not selling on eBay any more. 


If you're selling off your own personal items why do you think that you have to pay tax on them again @margotbrix1981 ?

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So why do the government want to know? 
Unless you’re registered as a business seller there is zero need. 
The amount of excess items people own these days would easily exceed the ‘cap’ on eBay. 

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Because there are many many traders who are trading on a private eBay account, or possibly on a business account, and not paying the correct taxes. 

 

I am afraid it is naive to assume everyone is correctly registered, either on ebay or with HMRC. 

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@margotbrix1981 wrote:

So why do the government want to know? 
Unless you’re registered as a business seller there is zero need. 
The amount of excess items people own these days would easily exceed the ‘cap’ on eBay. 


Because tax authorities across various countries are looking to root out anyone claiming to be a private seller when they should really be trading as a business and paying tax.  We see absolutely loads of these accounts day in, day out. Now they're clamping down on them.

 

If you're selling off your own personal items then HMRC won't be interested unless, for example, you have lots of shoes in different sizes or clothing in different sizes, something that may indicate that you're buying in charity shops or boot fairs with the intention of re-selling to make a profit. 

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Yes found one this morning incorrectly registered as a private when absolutely should be a business.

I find the bulk of those I report on these very boards.

Report then leave it to ebay. I'm not a fanatic!

Live long and prosper
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Too True!
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I am a private seller I will not give my NI number as this opens to fraud.   HMRC say do not give to anyone who asks for it.

I checked on GOV.UK  HMRC  I am not eligible to be taxed on my extra money.    I already pay tax on my pension.

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Completely agree - no need for it at all. Ebay says after 30 sales - you could make £30 and still have to give NI number - so wrong! 
Proper scam - taxing is then taxing us again on EVERYTHING! 

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