Does eBay change the SD label fee if it overrides buyer's/seller's choice of courier/service?

kat@ebay

 

Hi Kat, I'm tagging you as I wasn't able to join today's weekly chat to follow up an unanswered question from last week's.

 

Copied from the chat session on 23.07.25:

 

@irt303 wrote:

Hi there, I hope it’s okay to ask three questions in one post. I’ve only got time to paste this pre-typed post, and won’t be around for the rest of the session to add other questions, so I hope you don't mind.

 

1 – A bit odd, but on the page where previous weekly chats are available (as read-only, of course), the sessions for 02.07.25 and 09.07.25 are missing. I noticed when I went to access a previous chat for reference.

 

The page I’m referring to is at https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/Chat-with-the-eBay-Community/bd-p/WeeklyChatwiththeCommunityteam

 

Why those two sessions are missing?

 

2 – In one of those missing sessions, I was told that a seller “probably” would not be able to request a refund for an unused SD label if they had sent their item with an untracked service.

 

I appreciate the fact that I was given an answer (and you were good enough to answer it nearly an hour after the chat session was over), but surely this should be a Yes/No answer. “Probably” indicates doubt and uncertainty, but the Shipping Team must be able to provide a definite answer to this simple question.

 

I know that the actual answer is almost certainly ‘No’, but it is frustrating when a question to which there should be a definitive answer is answered in a non-definitive way.

 

I’ll refrain from commenting on the fact that eBay are all but forcing private sellers to use tracked services, even for items where Royal Mail’s standard 1st/2nd class service and £20 cover is adequate.

 

3 – Simple Delivery again! If eBay overrides the buyer’s or seller’s choice of courier, does eBay charge the buyer/seller the original amount they paid for the service they chose, or does eBay increase/decrease the SD label fee according to the price of the service that eBay has chosen (over the buyer’s/seller’s original choice)?

 

Thank you.

Hi @irt303 ,

 

Thank you for the questions.

 

1.  Those two chat sessions from the 2nd and 9th of July are there.  They are just abit further down the page as sometimes when we follow up a query from another chat it makes them go out of order if that makes sense.

2.  Yes the items need to be sent with a tracked service so its one of the conditions to receive the refund for the unused label.

3.  I'll refer this one to the shipping team for confirmation. I'll follow up once I have more details.

 

Thank you,

Kat

 

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1. Thank you explaining that.

2. I was 99% sure that this would be the answer. Very disappointing that sellers have to use a tracked service in order to claim the SD label fee back, or lose money on the unused label - disappointing, but considering the way that eBay is going, hardly surprising. I'll refrain from commenting further.

3. Given that you've had a week to pass this question on to the shipping team, do you now have a definitive answer to this? I've looked back at last week's chat session to see if you had updated the thread with an answer, but there's no follow-up there.

 

The ideal answer would be that, since it would be eBay overriding the buyer's or seller's choice, eBay would honour the original price paid by the buyer/seller for the service/courier of their choice, but I'm not assuming that this would be the case, so an answer would be appreciated.

 

If the answer is 'Yes, eBay would amend the fee according to the service/courier that they have selected to override the buyer's/seller's choice', then will eBay be clearly communicating this to both the buyer and seller, along with an explanation of why they have overridden the originally-selected choice?

 

Thank you.

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Hi @retroman303 ,

 

Thanks for the tag.

 

Apologies for the delay.  With regards to the 3rd question yes eBay would honour the price at checkout. So if a label is provided for a more expensive courier then the price remains the same.

While it is not stated on the order if a different courier was used Ebay does give this detail in the help pages on Simple Delivery There may be cases where we’re unable to honour your courier selection, for example because of the weight of your item. If this happens, we may provide a label for a courier you've excluded.

 

Thank you,

Kat

I am currently out of the office and will return on the 15th of September. Please expect a delay in my reply
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kat@ebay

 

Hello again, and thanks for getting back to me on this.

 

You state "if a label is provided for a more expensive courier then the price remains the same."

 

What if eBay overrides the buyer's/seller's choice, and the fee for the courier/service chosen by eBay is less than what was originally paid by the buyer/seller? Surely, in this case, eBay ought to refund the difference to the buyer or seller (whichever party paid the SD label fee).

 

If not, then I think that this would be legally 'dubious' at best. eBay would be profiting from the fee that the buyer or seller paid above and beyond whatever profit is already 'built in' to the SD label fee.

 

Basic examples (the figures are obviously not actual SD label fee amounts, they are purely for illustration):

 

1 - Buyer/seller pays £2.00 for SD label. eBay overrides their choice with a service/courier at £2.50. eBay honours original price paid (£2.00). That is fine (apart from the buyer/seller possibly taking issue with the fact that eBay has overridden the original choice in the first place).

 

2 - Buyer/seller pays £2.50 for SD label. eBay overrides their choice with a service/courier at £2.00. eBay makes a profit of 50p in addition to any profit already gained from its contracts with RM/Evri.

 

This is not a trivial matter, so I would be grateful if you could state what happens when eBay overrides the buyer's/seller's choice with a service/courier for which the SD label fee is less than what the buyer/seller paid.

 

Your reply to my question about the buyer/seller being informed by eBay that the latter has overridden their choice is another disappointment.

 

Not all buyers (or indeed sellers) have a comprehensive knowledge of how things work on eBay (and no one individual can have complete knowledge of this).

 

The most obvious concern (although I'm sure there are others) is that a buyer purchases an SD label, eBay overrides their choice of courier/service, but does not inform the buyer (or the seller) of this change (as per your reply), the buyer mistakenly thinks that it was the seller who changed the delivery method, and leaves the seller negative feedback because of this. Surely you would agree that sellers should not be put in this position simply because of eBay's failure to communicate properly.

 

You may respond with "In this case the seller can request removal of the feedback", but quite frankly, it's a faff for for the seller to do this, not to mention the fact that feedback removal is not always guaranteed, even when eBay's own T&Cs indicate that the feedback qualifies for removal.

 

This hassle could easily be avoided by eBay proactively informing the buyer/seller that they have overridden the option originally selected and paid for (and why, e.g. "You selected Evri, but Evri do not deliver to your address, so we have changed the courier to Royal Mail"). I don't believe for a second that eBay lacks the resources or ability to implement this; the fact that eBay doesn't implement it is either down to an oversight (the team responsible for coming up with SD simply never considered, or made provision for, this scenario) or, worse, still, indifference. Either way, it represents a lack of respect towards private sellers and their buyers - eBay lacks neither the means nor the ability to implement this vital piece of communication, it just lacks the willingness and the sense of respect for its users to do so.

 

Not all buyers are even aware of the existence of the help pages for Simple Delivery. This is all potentially creating extra (but avoidable) work for the seller - informing the buyer that it was eBay who made the change, directing the buyer to the SD help pages etc.

 

The fact that eBay does not inform the buyer/seller when they override the original choice is yet another shambolic and unacceptable aspect of SD. I would say that this absence of necessary communication is mind-boggling, but, in the wider context of SD (and eBay) as a whole, it actually seems right at home.

 

To summarise:

 

1 - Does the buyer/seller receive a refund of the difference if eBay overrides their choice of courier/service with one that costs less than what they paid?

 

2 - Please feed back to the shipping team (or whichever team is appropriate) that I (and, I'm sure, many other eBay members) very strongly feel that, when eBay overrides the originally-selected option, it is incumbent on them to pro-actively communicate this change - preferably to both parties, but certainly to the party that paid for the label. Not to merely rely on the existence of help pages that a member might not even know about, let alone feel inclined to read through, or to put the responsibility for explaining what has happened on to the seller.

 

Thank you in anticipation of your response.

 

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kat@ebay 

 

Sorry, but another request related to the above:

 

Could you please consult with the shipping team and ask them to provide, through you, a comprehensive list of circumstances under which eBay would override the buyer's/seller's original SD choice? Please note that I am requesting a list of specific situations where this would occur, not something vague, circular or self-evident like "eBay would do this in situations where it was deemed necessary". I see no good reason why such a list should be withheld; quite the contrary, such information would be very useful for private sellers.

 

[Kat, the rest of this post is just me offering some thoughts and opinions. You may choose to ignore it, although I'd be grateful if you could pass it to the relevant team as general feedback (in which they must be drowning by now, if feedback really is passed on).]

 

The only situation I can think of where eBay would be justified (from a buyer's/seller's perspective) in overriding the buyer's/seller's choice of courier/service would be where the selected courier does not deliver to the buyer's address, e.g. buyer/seller selects Evri, but the buyer lives in a remote location not covered by Evri.

 

But - and it's a big 'but' (no jokes, please!) surely, if Simple Delivery was set up correctly, then in the above scenario Evri would simply not appear as an option for the buyer/seller to select in the first place. The SD code/algorithm would have already ascertained that the buyer's address was one to which Evri will not deliver, and thus only Royal Mail would be presented as an option (okay, not technically an option if it's the only choice, but you know what I mean).

 

The only other reason I can think of would be to do with eBay's contracts with RM and Evri. We are obviously not privvy to whatever arrangements have been agreed upon between these parties, but it's pretty obvious that one contractual stipulation would be that eBay guarantees a certain level of business for both of them. So, it might be, for example, that eBay is not achieving the required level for Evri, and so changes some buyer/seller-selected RM options to Evri in order to address this.

 

But that's all 'internal' stuff - nothing to do with what is best for the buyer and seller, and everything to do with eBay's contractual requirements.

 

If a buyer's/seller's chosen courier is one that can deliver to the buyer's address (bearing in mind that they should only be presented with suitable options anyway - if SD worked properly), then eBay should honour that choice - but, evidently, eBay's contracts take precedence over this, hence the caveat that the selected courier can be overriden.

 

For eBay to not even bother informing the buyer and seller that their chosen option has been switched is just... well, to use an Americanism, "it sucks".

 

There was already little doubt in the minds of most members who have been following SD's somewhat 'wobbly' progress that the programme was developed primarily as an additional revenue stream for eBay (this came straight from the horse's CEO's mouth). It does have some clear benefits to some members under some circumstances (I'm not 100% opposed to it myself per se - but I am 100% opposed to its being mandatory, not optional), but the needs of buyers and sellers were very clearly way down in the list of considerations.

 

eBay's negligence in not even informing buyers and sellers that they have changed the courier only reinforces that conviction.

 

eBay should - and still could (if only the decision-makers would deem to listen to us little people) have a mutually beneficial relationship with private sellers. It could profit so much from us - not only in purely monetary terms, but also from our requests, observations, ideas, reports, etc. Members such as myself would happily provide suggestions for improvement for free (in fact, many of us are already doing just that) - suggestions that could potentially lead to increased profits for eBay, not just an easier selling experience for ourselves. Words cannot express how utterly frustrating it is that eBay management are so distanced, arrogant, and short-sighted that they refuse to listen and engage, and fail to avail themselves of such a rich resource, this vast untapped well of information and ideas from the very people who use and know the platform enough to spot bugs early, identify potential improvements, and so on. The most positive thing I can say about this is that eBay are far from alone in holding this corporate mindset - it is evident everywhere, and seems to be pretty much an inevitability.

 

Imagine if eBay bucked this trend! Imagine if they engaged with sellers, private and business alike, encouraged reports and feedback, genuinely listened to our concerns and suggestions (not just paid lip-service to the notion, which is one of the laziest and most offensive tactics in the corporate playbook), acted on them where appropriate, and generally made members feel both valued and involved (while simultaneously profiting in various ways from our suggestions, etc.). Disillusioned members would gradually re-join the flock, other people would join the platform in vast numbers, and eBay would be an absolute behemoth whose success other selling platforms could only dream of achieving. Isn't that exactly the type of goal that management would be hell-bent on pursuing?

 

Well, there I go again on another flight of fancy. The harsh reality is that an increasing (and therefore increasingly significant) number of members are feeling more and more exploited, ignored and sidelined, leading to frustration, confusion, resentment, and, ultimately, refusal to use the platform. Many members, sellers especially (and private sellers in particular when it comes to SD) feel like soldiers running into streams of bullets while the generals sit back sipping whiskey as they casually devise yet another tactic "bound to succeed". In short, cannon fodder.

 

Why does eBay cut so many corners in so many areas? Bugs, glitches and other technical limitations abound. Some of them have been present and unaddressed for so long that their existence is now part of the furniture. The mostly abysmal customer service - don't get me started! Advisors hanging up / ending the chat while you're mid-sentence pretty much sums up the quality of that. Again, such a common occurence that members mention it almost in passing, with little apparent outrage at such treatment; it has become normalised, just 'one of those things'.

 

I thought that an indicator of a healthy, thriving company was that it re-invested a significant proportion of revenue in improving and strengthening its own systems and generally acted in ways intended to ensure its own robustness and longevity. Where is eBay's revenue going (rhetorical question)? It certainly isn't being spent on fixing bugs, making genuine improvements, or developing a customer service team that doesn't make me want to smash my head to a pulp against the wall or gnash my teeth to the point where I'm eating my own mouth!

 

Why, for the love of everything holy (and perhaps unholy), does eBay seem to be so singlemindedly intent on acting in ways that not only drive users to distraction, but that ultimately sabotage their own prospects of being an innovative, cutting-edge marketplace for years to come?

 

I admit that some of the above is a tad over-dramatic, but I don't think I've gone totally over the top. And, yes, it's another long post from yours truly, one to which the TL;DR crowd will no doubt take exception, but SD and other things (eBay generally) get me so wound up that I feel I must vent if only for my own sanity!

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Hi irt303, I’ve read your posts and what comes across most strongly is how much you care about ebay.  That is something which many of us here will identify with, particularly the long-standing members like yourself, and me, and many others.  In fact I would suggest that we care more about ebay than some of the staff at ebay, particularly the higher echelons.  Do *they* buy or sell on ebay?  Yeah, right.  To the higher echelons who transit through ebay on the way to their next career move, it's no doubt just a way of making as much money as possible until they move on.  Whereas many of us here have either grown up with ebay or grown older with it.  If we didn’t care, we’d leave without a backward glance, but here some of us still are, fighting against the tidal wave of damaging changes that are alienating buyers and sellers alike.  It’s very sad to see what ebay has become, and even sadder to know that none of what you’ve said will make any difference.  The only person that can make a difference is the CEO, as every company’s culture and practices stem from the philosophy of the head of the business, for good or ill.  ’Nuff said.
 
With regard to Customer Service staff, I’ve got some sympathy for them ever since I discovered that being "inactive" at ebay for “anything over 60 seconds is considered work avoidance” and can lead to a warning.  That’s a helluvan environment to work in, and I dread to think what other conditions CS staff work under.  Having said that, I’ve never had to ring them so I dare say I’d be less forgiving if faced directly with some of the problems I’ve read about!
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I would have hung up long before the conversation ended obviously you got a not very helpful agent there… I hope you left that in the feedback lol

 

and agree with so many points in your post 

 

ps one of my pet hates is them saying  hi  how are you doing today ….none of your  business ..just get on with it haven’t got all day to chit chat 

 

erm obviously NOT that great  seeing as I have to contact YOU for a problem 

 

“how can I help” would suffice 

 

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This was a live chat, not a phone call, but yeah... let's hope that Jamie's had a bit more staff training since then!

 

Ah, yes, the old "How are you today?", spoken in an ebullient tone that seems entirely at odds with the drudgery of a call centre. Maybe next time I'll say, "Well, since you ask... I had an appointment with a respiratory consultant at the hospital a couple of days ago. I've got a blood clot in my left lung, you see, and the anti-coagulation medication I've been taking hasn't done much in terms of reducing its size. Oh, and a friend of mine passed away suddenly last week. I still can't really process it, he was only my age. Funeral's in a couple of days, and I still need to get my suit dry-cleaned. My sister's feeling a bit better, though. She was getting so worried about her impending job interview that she was starting to have mild panic attacks. Oh yeah, my car passed its MOT last Thursday. I was sure it was going to fail on the suspension, it started playing up when I was driving back from Royston Vasey. Mind you, it's a really good garage I go to - well, actually I've been going there for the last nine years, ever since I bought the BMW. My uncle's mother's stepsister's daughter's grandmother was going out with one of the mechanics there for a while, but that fizzled out after a few months. Bit of a shame, really, we all thought they made a good couple, even with the 49 year age gap. Oh, and..." See how long I can drone on for before they cut to the chase.

 

Perhaps they should also ask at the end of the call, so one can reply with "Substantially more dejected than I was before speaking to you."

 

Out of all my interactions with eBay CS, I would say that about 10% of them were in some sense positive, i.e. the issue was resolved, or the agent at least appeared to be genuine in wanting to help. But for the most part, it was BS 'advice' and being cut off.

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'And I can't help but feel personally offended by the fact that the company apparently thinks us so stupid and credulous that we can't see or work out what truly lies behind their decisions and actions'

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That is one of my biggest bug-bears about the whole current mess.

 

Being told that this complicated, interferring straight-jacket of S.D. is ...

'For the benefit of our users! 😁It's sooo simple, 😁so easy... 😁you don't have to do anything! 😁we'll do it all for you..😁 we'll even talk to your buyers for you 😁 (I'm hearing the advertising voice-over with the vomit-inducing 'smile in the voice' here 🤢...)

 

Imagine if ebay just said 'Sorry folks, we've had to go 'free selling' in order to compete with our modern rivals, and we need to get money in from other methods, so we're changing things'.  Ok that would still hurt, but at least we wouldn't be feeling grossly insulted and lied to as well. 

 

 

 

The latest gag about getting in between the seller and buyer trying to comunicate *after* a sale , really makes my teeth grind.

 

It's so obvious ebay no longer want to be associated with any sort of 'community' feel, with people being able to speak to each other ; they just want to be a massive automated shop. 

But ebay can't compete with with other *real* massive, automated shops; like Temu etc.  Because Temu etc. own all their stock and set all their prices.

How the heck can ebay compete , when the 'stock' is held and prices are set by individual sellers?

 

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(I'm hearing the advertising voice-over with the vomit-inducing 'smile in the voice' here 🤢...)

 

Yay, a fellow nausea-sufferer at last!  I've got family who don't hear it and haven't got a clue what I'm talking about but it makes me cringe every time I hear it.  So glad I'm not the only one after all!

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Hi @retroman303 ,

 

Thank you for your replies,

 

It should not be the case that a cheaper label is provided than what was paid for at checkout. Do you have a specific example here that I can share with the shipping team so we can have it looked at?

 

The shipping team do not have a set list of circumstances for when a different label is provided. As mentioned it is stated in the terms of Simple Delivery that on occasions a different label may be given. I understand not every buyer/seller will read the terms on Simple Delivery. The help pages have been included in as many announcements, emails and notifications as possible. I will pass on your suggestions for having it communicated proactively to buyers/sellers.
We appreciate your thoughts and views on the Simple Delivery process and will share your overall feedback. Please note while we share these views we cannot guarantee changes based on feedback received.

 

Thank you,

Kat

I am currently out of the office and will return on the 15th of September. Please expect a delay in my reply
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kat@ebay

 

Hi Kat, I appreciate you getting back to me. Apologies for the delay in posting this reply.

 

No, I don't have any specific example, it was a purely speculative question. It occurred to me that there might be the odd occasion where eBay overrode the buyer's seller's choice with a courier/service for which the label cost less than the label paid for by the buyer/seller.

 

However, from what you are saying, this should never be the case, so the following statement would be true:

 

If eBay overrides the buyer's/seller's choice of courier/service, the label fee for eBay's choice will always be equivalent to, or more than, the fee paid by the buyer/seller - never less. If more, eBay will not charge the buyer/seller the difference, and will honour the price paid.

 

Could you kindly confirm that this is an accurate statement?

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Hi @retroman303 ,

 

Thank you for your reply.

 

Yes that is correct and as mentioned if you experience an example where you are provided with a cheaper label than what was paid for at checkout please let us know and we can share it with our shipping team.

 

Thank you,

Kat

I am currently out of the office and will return on the 15th of September. Please expect a delay in my reply
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kat@ebay

 

Thank you for confirming that.

 

Hopefully, if this did occur (eBay's choice costs less than label buyer/seller paid for), somebody would report it. It's not likely to be me for a while (acknowledging that eBay would only override the original choice in a minority of cases anyway), as I'm just starting to ease myself back into selling, and will probably focus on selling items exempt from SD until some much-needed (and oft-requested) improvements are made to that system. 

 

I was mainly asking the question for future reference. Thanks again for providing a clear answer, and also for passing my other comments on as "general feedback". 

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