07-12-2024 11:01 AM
I saw a couple of comments on both in related threads, but now can't find them.
As both of these are soon (next February?) to become compulsory for all private sellers I would have thought there might be at least one thread started by private sellers on the topic, but apparently not?
Don't they know ?
Don't they have any opinions?
Are there any private sellers here?
07-12-2024 11:30 AM
07-12-2024 11:36 AM
@theelench wrote:I saw a couple of comments on both in related threads, but now can't find them.
As both of these are soon (next February?) to become compulsory for all private sellers I would have thought there might be at least one thread started by private sellers on the topic, but apparently not?
Don't they know ?
Don't they have any opinions?
Are there any private sellers here?
I have wondered that myself. I posted on a couple of threads, but no one seemed interested, so I stopped.
The only places it seems to have been mentioned is on the Business seller board!
Simple Delivery will be the killer for me. I want to offer the service/s that suit me, not what ebay decide I should be offering. I do not want to offer an express service, and I want to be able to have a 4/5 day despatch time (I usually send same or next working day) to keep the EDDs more realistic, and to allow for the fact that I am not a business, and as a old dear with mobility issues who doesn't drive, I may on occasions need those extra days if we are without the car, or hubby is out of action (he doesn't have a good relationship with ladders!).
07-12-2024 11:37 AM
Thanks, I knew I'd seen something but didn't know if it had been deleted or if I just couldn't find it.
07-12-2024 11:54 AM
@theelench You would think they would make this clearly visible as an important announcement coupled with the payment hold.
There is one discussion on Reddit and one on here.
It’s only going to hurt the platform if it continues to fly under the radar.
One of the most frustrating things about eBay is the lack of communication.
Jo
07-12-2024 12:29 PM - edited 07-12-2024 12:31 PM
I thought that you could opt out of Simple Delivery?
07-12-2024 12:49 PM
You can at the moment, but the CEO has stated that it will be mandatory for private sellers early in Q1 2025.
07-12-2024 12:57 PM
07-12-2024 1:21 PM
@bojangled wrote:
@*vyolla* have a look at the last couple of posts on this weeks chat, bit of a read but a definite mandatory in Q1.
Jo
Bonkers.
07-12-2024 7:16 PM
Hopefully it's just going to affect private sellers.
If it migrates to business sellers then I'm gone. Like you, I select the carrier - not the buyer or eBay. There's no way I'm going to traipse about dropping off parcels to different carriers, and I'm certainly not going to stand out in the wind and rain trying to scan a locker.
07-12-2024 8:25 PM
@the-nutwood-collection wrote:Hopefully it's just going to affect private sellers.
If it migrates to business sellers then I'm gone. Like you, I select the carrier - not the buyer or eBay. There's no way I'm going to traipse about dropping off parcels to different carriers, and I'm certainly not going to stand out in the wind and rain trying to scan a locker.
I don't think it will migrate to business sellers once ebay realise what a bad idea it was, and how it lost them not only sellers but buyers as well.
07-12-2024 9:57 PM
When simple delivery was first mentioned I saw a thread on it. But everyone thought it would be optional. I had no idea that they are going to make it compulsory. That will be a disaster!
07-12-2024 10:05 PM
I'm a private seller & was not aware of this.
Will have to have a read, but from the comments here it does not sound good to me.
08-12-2024 7:07 AM
I had read about the hold on the money and i could live with that but no way am i being dictated to by e bay on how i post. The minute that happens is when i leave the site. They have p...d me off a few times with their changes but i knew i would and could adapt but not this one. Not sure what i will do for the few things i have that are a bit higher value but the rest will be car booted and i will take the potential loss.
08-12-2024 8:52 AM
@kath3735_wxmjn Yes, I am pretty much the same. I really do not think Simple Delivery will work for me.
We haven't done a boot sale for years - the stuff we would have booted has either gone on here, FB or charity shop. Looks like I will need to dust off the paste table again!
08-12-2024 8:54 AM
@zoomingmouse wrote:I'm a private seller & was not aware of this.
Will have to have a read, but from the comments here it does not sound good to me.
And you are a board regular - so goodness knows how non-board private sellers will learn about it. I think maybe that's the plan, keep it quite, hide it in legalese waffle, hope no one reads the CEO's comments and get everyone in before they know anything about it.
08-12-2024 9:25 AM
A couple of months ago, I was chatting to a Vinted seller and she had nothing but praise for their shipping solution. The label was sent to her automatically - nothing she had to do - a wonderful system - so quick and easy. She had been an eBay seller, but was now totally Vinted and would never go back to eBay - mainly because of the 'free labels'. She adored the locker system, seemed to think Vinted had invented it.
This is why, if eBay introduce simple delivery, it should be optional. I guess many people will be like my Vinted seller - but a lot of people will be like me.
08-12-2024 9:39 AM
I expect genuine private sellers see eBay as a means to declutter/some item swapping for a hobby, so don't read eBay notices etc. like a business seller does (who needs to understand platform changes for the purpose of managing their business).
I'm not yet really clear what Simple Delivery will be. I will assume it is like Vinted - buyer chooses from the Vinten-enabled couriers with no choice for seller. As a business seller, my view would be that if Simple Delivery is forced on business sellers like that i.e. I have no choice over available couriers for my listings, then I'd be very likely to give up selling on eBay. I would NOT be willing to be forced to deal with unreliable cheapo couriers.
These are my views on the changes for private sellers:
overall: I wonder whether eBay (US) have looked at private sellers on eBay UK and done a first level simplistic analysis of "they just sell clothes, DVDs and books", so then come up with a delivery process for those (low value, non-fragile, non-electronics) items.
payment holds: in my view it is reasonable to place funds on hold pending delivery/up to 2 weeks. When I get paid my salary (normal full time job) near the end of the month I have worked nearly all of the month in advance of that, I then get paid in arrears. I don't see it as unreasonable that eBay enforces a short hold on payments.
simple delivery: having read through the Simple Delivery page (https://www.ebay.co.uk/help/selling/posting-items/setting-postage-options/simple-delivery?id=5575) it sounds exactly like how Vinted do their postage: after seller sets size/weight the buyer chooses from the available carriers - normally Royal Mail, Evri, Yodel given Vinted is focused on lighter/lower value items.
In the linked eBay CEO announcement it says clearly that eBay expect to make revenue on the postage labels (charge the buyer more than eBay paid for the label), so I think it's appropriate to review the change in that light: its objective is to increase eBay revenues. The Simple Delivery says the seller doesn't pay a fee for the postage label, but sounds like effectively the buyer does.
I see 4 potential problematic areas: loss/damage claim handling for cheap couriers, access to drop off locations, items not covered for compensation, returns.
loss/damage claim handling: the simple delivery page says "You'll be protected if the item is lost or damaged from the point the item is scanned into the carrier's delivery network and until it's marked as delivered" but what does that really mean? The couriers all already in theory provide loss cover. However in practice the cheapo ones can make it very hard to claim and may refuse claims where there is tracking for "delivery" but location is slightly wrong/no photo or GPS location etc. Are eBay saying that eBay will provide materially better protection here? It might be the case because if eBay issue the label then the label purchaser is eBay so eBay may be the only one allowed to claim.
access to drop off locations: if Simple Delivery means buyer could have the choice of e.g. Yodel, Evri, Royal Mail for standard and say Royal Mail, DPD for express option, then what is to say that the seller has convenient access to drop off locations for all of those? If collection isn't available for the one used, what about sellers (with a disability perhaps) who rely on collection? Or simply that they don't want to have to be able to go to one of 5 different drop off locations. There seems to be an assumption that these cheap couriers always work correctly, but that's simply no the case: when I used to use Evri a local drop off shop sometimes they said "we're full, **** off" (or words to that effect). Lockers are sometimes full or out of service. DPD were too incompetent to collect my item from drop off shop after a week. I am in the fortunate position that I live close to several drop off / locker locations but that isn't necessarily the case for all sellers. For this service to make sense, sellers would need to be able to choose which of the Simple Delivery couriers they want to offer - no mention whether that level of seller control will be offered.
items not covered for compensation: if eBay is going to allow the buyer to choose the courier, are eBay going to have comprehensive validation of whether the item is allowed by that courier and covered for compensation? Laptops aren't covered by Evri, a laptop bag should be, I don't think eBay's categories perfectly map to those of the courier. In my view eBay already contribute to items not being insured by pointing sellers at Packlink through to Evri regardless of item category/value. When the service becomes more explicitly managed by eBay I don't think they can just waive it away (in financial services recommending a service that the provider would have known was not suitable for the customer is a compliance breach).
returns: there is no mention of the returns process following Simple Delivery. If a private seller receives an INAD return case then they would currently lose out the original postage cost they paid themselves. I assume it will be the same following Simple Delivery, but how does that work: the buyer chose the label of varying cost but the seller bears the cost? Doesn't seem reasonable. The buyer chose an express delivery option, sellers don't have to refund extra optional postage costs, how can the seller determine what the extra cost was when they never set the postage rates? Vinted seem to manage this by basically not allowing returns, clearly eBay won't get away with that.
08-12-2024 9:58 AM
It should be optional but that will not make e bay the millions they are hoping for!
08-12-2024 11:08 AM
You mention "items not covered for compensation".
So far as I'm aware no delivery company covers glass for compensation if damaged. As I sell almost exclusively glass I wouldn't be at all happy about buyers being able to choose who is going to deliver MY glass and at MY risk. How many will choose the cheapest option, if the item arrives damaged they get their money back. I loose my item, which will be the only one of them that I have.
Knowing how ebay works, regularly holding private sellers funds for one reason, then finding other reasons to extend the hold, I would like ebay to answer the question I asked on one of the threads that I can no longer find. "Will the 14 day hold quoted be the maximum length of any Hold on funds" .
Will ebay improve its systems to the point where a private seller can re-verify their bank or personal details in hours, not have to play guessing games about what is needed, have documents refused multiple times etc, etc. If photo I.D is required will ebay make up-loading a photo as easy as it does for listings, not reject valid passports and licences multiple times because the seller is left to upload the exactly correct photo required with no help from ebay.
Or will ebay just sit on its hands for 14 days and then start dreaming up reasons to extend the 14 days for as long as it takes for the seller to jump through all the other hoops and hurdles that ebay can and does throw in their way to prolong holds?
I've already decided that I'll stop selling whenever it is that ebay demands my NINO, but even if I was willing to do that I can't see that I'd be willing to put up with either of these new conditions for selling on ebay.