german plane crash

[cookiecookuk]

....i am sitting here in shock..have the news on and they have just said the co pilot of the German plane took his own life by crashing his plane taking over 150 innocent people with him.R.I.P. everyone who was on board...

[bankhaunter]

It would be a retrograde step if new regulations had the effect of pilots being more reluctant to disclose any problems.

Some years ago the reporting of errors was encouraged by having a no punishment policy which has resulted in a number of simple safety enhancing measures.

[cee-dee]

The thing is, if someone was informed that they have an eye condition that will eventually mean the loss of their pilots licence, would they be inclined to mention it in the early stages?

If they were a "bury their head in the sand" type, would they mention it at all?

If they were diagnosed with mental health issues, would they be rational enough to take the view that flying hundreds of people in a lethal weapon wasn't a good idea?

Finally, where does "patient confidentiality" stop and safety issues begin with an Air Medical Examiner?

[malacandran]

When you consider how many people, these days, have "mental health issues", it seems surprising that more planes don't crash.

[elescoces]

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@malacandran wrote:

Let's hope relatives of the deceased, aren't contemplating disgraceful lawyer-induced notions. Such as claiming monetary compensation from the airline operator.

On grounds of "Mental anguish",  "devastated" etc.. etc

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Would you care to expand on your statement malacandran?

I lost a very close relative in a similar situation, aboard a boat not an airplane. Are you saying I should just have said oh well, never mind and let the matter rest? Surely not? 

[fishpieface]

There is no reason why they shouldn't Malacandran.  There can't be a more (can't think of the right word but will say "proper")

proper reason to go up the compensation avenue than the loss of a loved one's life through the act like that of another.  It

is little compensation, however much monetarily, as it won't bring their person back nor compensate for their life but it is

really all they can do and I'm certain that nobody claiming as a result of what happened last Tuesday wouldn't rather not

be doing that but would have welcomed their person home as expected.

[cee-dee]

Now supporters of Lubitz claim he's being made a scapegoat to cover up mechanical failure:-

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/germanwings-crash-andreas-lubitz-been-5435823

[lhasa.two]

They've since found the second black box which should hilight any mechanical "failures".

So far, according to more serious reports about the crash, he did intend to deliberately crash the plane, although as yet the full reasons aren't confirmed.

It's just so so tragic that he took 150 innocents with him.

[ilove2patch]

Yes this was on the news.

[cee-dee]

Watching video of the "recovery operations" taking place on the mountain side, I see people just picking up bits of wreckage and literally throwing the bits in to piles so they're not carefully examining every bit like they usually do after a plane crash. That seems to indicate that they're not looking for the cause of any mechanical failure?

They've driven a road up to the crash site so they can remove the wreckage so I hope they take every little bit or there will be "souvenir hunters" (ghouls?) rooting around up there and it wouldn't surprise me to see some offered for sale on an internet auction site.......

[malacandran]

You should allow a decent period for grieving, sighing, etc. Say 6 weeks. Then phone your lawyer, and start a claim for the money. 

[malacandran]

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@fishpieface wrote:

There is no reason why they shouldn't Malacandran.  There can't be a more (can't think of the right word but will say "proper")

proper reason to go up the compensation avenue than the loss of a loved one's life through the act like that of another.  It

is little compensation, however much monetarily, as it won't bring their person back nor compensate for their life but it is

really all they can do and I'm certain that nobody claiming as a result of what happened last Tuesday wouldn't rather not

be doing that but would have welcomed their person home as expected.

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I'm being cynical, fish. But I bet the thought of money occurred, about 35 seconds after hearing the news of the tragic, and devastating, loss.

[ginap.123]

What an awful thing to say about people who have lost loved ones. I just hope that you're never in a similar situation.

[malacandran]

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@cee-dee wrote:

Watching video of the "recovery operations" taking place on the mountain side, I see people just picking up bits of wreckage and literally throwing the bits in to piles so they're not carefully examining every bit like they usually do after a plane crash. That seems to indicate that they're not looking for the cause of any mechanical failure?

They've driven a road up to the crash site so they can remove the wreckage so I hope they take every little bit or there will be "souvenir hunters" (ghouls?) rooting around up there and it wouldn't surprise me to see some offered for sale on an internet auction site.......

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Well, the plane crash has attracted a lot of public interest. Bits and pieces from the crash might be valuable to certain types of collectors.

We know that relics of the Titanic (bottles,crockery etc) have sold for good prices. 

Apparently some people like to collect "souvenirs" of the dead.  To prove this, let's note that there's an active market for medals on eBay. One auction, which I'm currently watching, has a collection of medals offered for over £20,000!  Can you believe it?

I'm only watching it,  to see whether anyone's daft enough to pay.

[bankhaunter]

Victoria Crosses sell for up to a £million.

Medals are not just bits of metal hanging from a ribbon, they represent a very significant part of a particular person's life.

[elescoces]

Oh great, now your dishing out advice to grieving relatives. In our case we just wanted someone to say there had been a mistake and for him to come home safe and sound. Unfortunately that is not what happened.

I suppose I really need to stop reading this thread as I'm getting really annoyed by the thought of someone telling me how I should have behaved when I was bereaved.