Cyclists In London

We are always hearing of campaigns to make cycling in London safer, and quite rightly so - make it


as safe as possible.  However, that requires some input from the cyclists themselves as well as they


share the roads with other vehicles.  More often than not the irresponsible behaviour of vehicle drivers


is highlighted during these campaigns and spoken about on tv etc.  They often go on about how they


want more respect from other road users, sometimes justifiably, we all want that, after all when everyone


is behaving as they should on the roads, everyone is safe.


 


The other evening I was driving a coach with people going to theatre and my expeiriences with cyclists


in the city was, I'm sorry to say, very negative.  I had cyclists trying to squeeze up the inside of the coach,


jumping red lights and, worst of all, hanging onto my rear lights and getting pulled along.  Dreadfully dangerous at the best of times, but coaches are big things and if one turns left with a cyclist hanging on the back, that cyclist is probably going to be wondering why he's (they're usually blokes) had a close encounter with the rear end of a coach, or not be wondering anything because he'll be crushed underneath it.


 


When I went to park along the Embankment, I got into a bay at the front and was going to back up to get close to the kerb.  I could see traffic and cyclists and was waiting until they'd passed.  The abuse I got


from a couple of cyclists was unbelievable, one tried to sneak up the inside in a gap that was scarecely a foot wide, banging on the coach all the way alongside it and scratching it with his handlebars.  Another was hanging on my back light. 


 


That was it, enough is enough.  I had a word with them, politely but firmly.  I said to them both if they want the respect from other road users that we all want and deserve, then do not do that.  I said how come they are always complaining at others' behaviour on the roads and yet they appear to think they are exempt from


the law and can do what they like?  Most of them completely ignore traffic lights.  Some of them no doubt wonder why they get knocked off.


 


Whilst parked, I saw two idiots on bikes doing wheelies and acrobatics along the Embankment, in the dark - no helmets, no lights, no high-visibility clothing - right in front of a policeman!


 


On the way home another idiot cyclist riding on an unlit road, pitch dark, no lights, black clothes, no helmet. 


 


There are some good, law-abiding cyclists amongst them, people that wear good visibility clothing, a helmet and cycle according to the rules of the roads.


 


We all know there are some arrogant drivers out there, yes, but there are good ones too and most are not out to get cyclists.  It works both ways.  Us coach drivers aren't out to get cyclists, or anyone else, either


but neither to we want cyclists damaging our coaches with handlbars, hanging on our rear lights and doing daredevil acts all around us and not wearing suitable clothing and a helmet, so when they are being stupid, we can at least see them quicker.


 


Perhaps these campaigns should interview people from both sides and take a bit of film around London


one evening - that would paint a truer picture.


 


OK, rant over, thanks for listening!

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Totally agree Fishie.  When I am driving, if a cyclist has right of way then fine, I will let them go.  One cyclist actually thanked me for this the other week.  However, this is not the norm.  The number of cyclists I've seen who could quite easily have caused an accident, it is ridiculous.  Cyclists don't pay road tax, insurance or yet even more tax with duty on fuel and yet they are the first ones to rant over the drivers of vehicles.  I saw one cyclist a while since right on the inside of a bus banging away at the side because he thought the bus was getting too close to him.  There is no way the bus driver could have seen the cyclist due to where he was positioned.  Yes there are some bad drivers around but there are also bad cyclists as well.  Cyclists should also have lights on their bikes whilst driving in the dark and they should also wear high visibility clothing as well.


 


Whilst on the subject, pedestrians who wear dark clothing should not run across a road late at night in front of oncoming traffic.  They can see cars coming but drivers can't always see them. At the end of the day, it is just common sense but that seems to go out of the window when going anywhere near a road either on foot or on two wheels or four.

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There was a cyclist killed on one of our main roads.  They've arrested the driver who hit him.  Question is why just blame the driver.  Yes he was probably driving carelessly but


 


 


 


it's a 3 lane 50mph dual carriageway on a fly over.


 


It was that drizzly sticky rain that smears everything.


 


It was a very dark, gloomy day.


 


Even so the driver should have seen the cyclist - perfectly true.


 


Only problem is the driver was not expecting to see a cyclist and was not looking for one - WHY?


 


There's a well marked cycle route which avoids flyovers with a 50mph speed limit and nowhere to go to escape altogether!!!!!!


 


That is 2 families' lives ruined - the one who died and the one who hit him. One careless driver, one thoughtless cyclist.:-(


 


Will admit I have only ever seen 3 cyclists on those flyovers in 20 years.  Will also admit that I actually usually avoid the road in favour of snarled up high streets unless in a hurry. It just doesn't feel safe(and that's inside a car)


 


Time for sanity and sense from both sides.


 


Couple carrying a baby walked out in front of OH on the high street yesterday evening(he was slowing).  it's 4 lanes across,, 4 way road junction.  They were 20foot away from the pelican crossing but they couldn't  walk back that far and wait!

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I get really annoyed with cyclists who go along the road when there is a perfectly good cycle lane beside the road.


 


Not to mention the ones who go round in the darker months with no lights, reflective clothing etc


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When OH was in hospital I had to drive home in the dark from Nottingham,........what an eye opener !!


Cyclists  as above ^^^^^^^ no Hi-vis, or helmets , black clothing  no lights.


I actually stopped and remonstrated with a group of young lads on the outskirts of one village and asked them how their parents would feel when someone knocked on the door to say they had been killed.


 


FPF......there was a programme on BBC 2 radio only last week about the cyclists being killed in London, seems young women have a very high mortality rate compared to men.


 


Local chap was killed on the inside of a lorry turning left , he had ridden to the front.


 


One notice I saw on the back of a wagon said.........If you can`t see my mirrors I can`t see you.............although aimed at  car drivers  it makes sense. and  as a driver made ME more aware.


 


We had cycle proficiency tests as a child, maybe they should be brought back into junior school.  They did say they were discontinued as children passing them then thought themselves invincible...........!! Can`t win really.......cycle  SAFETY  lessons could work though.

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Ah lorries.  OH taught me to drive in his tipper lorry.  7.5 tons - perfectly legal back in the day. He always said when overtaking cyclists to give them plenty of room and always, always check they were still there afterwards because you wouldn't hear or feel the bump when you ran over them.  Never forgot that one, think of it whenever I overtake a cyclist to this day.


 


 Maybe driving a lorry should be a compulsory lesson for all road users.


 


I too love that notice about mirrors.  Makes you think.  I hate the ads "think bike".  I am of the opinion they should say "think bike, bike think" It takes two to tango.

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10phizz
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I have also driven HGVs..........it certainly makes you more aware !

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Ohizz, I've often thought that advert should say "Think Bike, Bikers Think", great minds think alike eh?!


 


It is a problem that is becoming more and more severe because there are people in our society who have scant, if any, regard for the law which is there for a reason, not just to piss people off!


 


It's not a right to drive, our licences have to be earned and it should be an honour to have a licence, we should all act responsibly.  Yet a cyclist, however incapable, unaware, downright stupid etc etc can just get on a bike and off he/she goes, often, as we've said, with a blatant disregard for their or anybody else's safety.


 


I just wish the people who steer these campaigns would look at it from both sides.  As Guardpig said, many families' lives can be ruined by a thoughtless bit of driving, be it a bike or vehicle, a bit of cocky behaviour on the road, a bit of behaviour which makes the perpetrator think he or she is clever but makes everybody else think they are an idiot.  Can make tragic news.

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Sorry Phizz, I called you Ohizz!


 


Yes, coaches have a blind spot too on the nearside, about a third of the way from the front usually.  It's the way they are, often there are strategically positioned mirrors to aid the driver, often a reverse camera and other bits and bobs to make everybody's journey safer.  But these things are made taking idiot road users into account, they cannot always prevent accidents caused by inconsiderate and idiotic behaviour.  Cyclists please take note - however hard we try, we cannot always see you, even when we are looking in places you shouldn't even be!

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Only problem is the driver was not expecting to see a cyclist and was not looking for one - WHY?


 


Don't drivers need to look where they are going? Cyclists have a right to be on the road.


 


There's a well marked cycle route which avoids flyovers with a 50mph speed limit and nowhere to go to escape altogether!!!!!!


 


You should try cycling on some of them, many are just a box ticking exercise and not suitable for using at a decent speed,in many cases are simply unsafe and why should a cyclist have to give way at every side turning or entrance of any sort when they would not have to on the road?


 


 Cyclists don't pay road tax,


 


Nor do car drivers, they pay vehicle excise duty which is based on emissions, bikes like electric cars, don't emit any and so would pay nothing.


 


 

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Well, speaking as a pedestrian who was mown down from behind by an idiot on a racing bike - in a public park....


 


Any person cycling in public without a bicycle bell should have their bicycle confiscated on the spot and destroyed.


 


And I mean a BELL, not a horn, or shrieker or any other stupid noise-making gadget - a proper bicycle bell, that says "bicycle coming" to anybody who hears it.


 


That idiot cost me two months off work. I worked out later from the way I was told he hit me (on the temple) and the way I fell (on my face and chest) that he could have killed me outright, blinded me, or ruptured my liver and/or spleen.  The broken arm was nothing to what could have gone wrong.  Of course he got off scot free.


 


Back at work, when I was talking about bicycle bells, one colleague who cycled said "Why should I have a bell? It won't do anything to protect me."


 


That sums up most cyclists as far as I'm concerned - utterly selfish.


 


 

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duck a lorange - I don't suppose you could have claimed from the cyclist because they would not have had insurance.  This is what I mean when I say that they don't pay vehicle excise duty and they don't pay insurance to cover any accidents that they may cause.

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I did contact the CAB and one of their solicitors got back to me basically to say "no chance".

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It is so annoying when anything like this happens.  There should be a law whereby cyclists should have comprehensive insurance before they go out on the road.  By law, motorists have got to have insurance before they go out on the road and the same law should apply to cyclists.

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After today's meeting I am almost at the point where I think all cyclists should be shot on sight!


 


Meeting to discuss enforcement of traffic regulations in the PEDESTRIANISED area of the city centre. Both Taxi drivers and cyclists adamant that they have a god-given right to drive through in whatever direction at whatever time at whatever speed they like. Neither has any consideration for those who can only walk slowly, those who are visually impaired who can't see them, those who are hearing impaired and can't hear them. The traffic regulations are clear - no vehicles, and in law a cycle IS a vehicle.


 


The argument is that because wheelchairs and mobility scooters are allowed, then they can do as they like!


 


Between the traffic and the street cafe's it is getting to be almost impossible for pedestrians.


 


 


 


 

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I've been a cyclist for about sixty years and have lost count of the number of near misses I have had with idiot car drivers, mostly being by left hooked, that is by a driver passing then immediately braking and turning left into a side street and I have even had one stupid woman drive out of a car park straight into me.


 


Oddly enough about 75% of drivers who have really done their best to kill me have been woman.


 


I hold no brief for cyclists who do ride badly but I would suggest that pedestrians using shared pavements actually take notice that it is shared, keep off the cycle side and make sure their kids do as well.

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And I forgot.


 


A pedestrian's chances of being killed by a cyclist are tiny in comparison to that of being killed by a car.


 


Between 2006 - 2010, 1011 pedestrians were killed by motor vehicles, in the same period the number killed by cyclists was 14.


 


 

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Both Taxi drivers and cyclists adamant that they have a god-given right to drive through in whatever direction at whatever time at whatever speed they like.


 


The traffic regulations are clear - no vehicles, and in law a cycle IS a vehicle.


 


The argument is that because wheelchairs and mobility scooters are allowed, then they can do as they like!



 


Exactly. Idiot thinks it's ok to cycle downhill at racing speed (>20mph probably) in a place full of pedestrians. There was a cycle lane but he wasn't on it. And the access road adjoining clearly marked with a 5mph speed limit.


 


Bankhaunter - as for cycle lanes etc - fine, agreed. But keep off my pavement.


 

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I also think cyclists should have insurance if it is their main mode of transport.


 


I also think that we should have cycling lanes like they do in Germany... an actual separate lane , divided by a strip of land/grass .. ie.. pavement, grass, cycle lane, grass then road.. so that there is complete separation between pedestrians, cyclists and automobiles!

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I think it's time there were more cycle lanes; I'm told we are trailing far behind in this country where cyclists are concerned; I'm sure more amd more people will be taking up cycling, due to the high cost of fuel etc, and even household bills, people will need to economise wherever they can, so will be getting on their bikes if possible. Incidentally, I got a bike a couple of years ago, hadn't been on one for 44 years, and really enjoyed it, but have now been put off due to a close encounter with a huge tractor almost on my back wheel, and a powerful sounding car coming up far too fast behind me and not leaving enough room as he passed me; I had to veer off on to the grass verge - luckily there was one, else I hate to think what would have happened. I always wear a hi-vis jacket and a helmet. Can't do any more to make myself visible. I hope I do go out on the bike again, as it is a good form of ecercise but dont want encounters like these.

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