Carbohydrates....

[captainbovine]

now I have been told there are good carbs and bad carbs...spoken by a nurse to me this morning but she had no intention of going any further, er well thanks a lot I'm so much more informed....NOT...

so, anyone there who can tell me which are good and which are bad?

I fankyou....

[ilove2patch]

I am sure Mr Google knows.:)

[captainbovine]

aye Maggie, I may mosey on over there I just thought some of you guys may know!

you've done very well losing the weight though haven't you?

[bitsnknots]

Hope that this helps CB.

http://cf.ltkcdn.net/diet/files/2235-good-carbs-bad-carbs.pdf

[ilove2patch]

That's interesting. Apparently Hard Liquor is a good carb! Yipee!

[stan3502]

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@ilove2patch wrote:

That's interesting. Apparently Hard Liquor is a good carb! Yipee!

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Ok that's me sorted then

[chickengrandma-2008]

I don't understand that at all!

Plums.....good carbs                           prunes......bad carbs.

Whole milk.......good carbs                  skimmed and semi skimmed.................bad carbs.

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[bitsnknots]

I agree CG.  It's daft.  We always have skimmed milk.

[**towery**]

i'd have said those that are wholewheat/grain are probably better for your blood sugar that more  refined foods

[**towery**]

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@chickengrandma-2008 wrote:

I don't understand that at all!

Plums.....good carbs                           prunes......bad carbs.

Whole milk.......good carbs                  skimmed and semi skimmed.................bad carbs.

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possibly the prunes are more  sugar intense than the plums which are more  watery

the milk is probably the relaton with sugar/fat too,  dont they add things to skimmed milk?

[chickengrandma-2008]

It's so confusing.

The latest thing is,  you shouldn't eat 5 portions of fruit a day because that's too much sugar!!

It seems one lot contradicts the other lot!!

[peteryola]

I never take any notice of any of this sort of thing; I eat what I like and want to eat - end of.

[dairyview123]

Prunes are dried plums so the sugar in them increases but it is natural sugar. So fresh fruit is good, dried fruit not so good. 

The more food has been prosessed the worse it gets for us to eat, fresh food is always best.

[lhasa.two]

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@peteryola wrote:

I never take any notice of any of this sort of thing; I eat what I like and want to eat - end of.

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But if you are diabetic you can't eat anything you like! I'm presuming that's why captainbovine started this thread... 

[lhasa.two]

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@captainbovine wrote:

now I have been told there are good carbs and bad carbs...spoken by a nurse to me this morning but she had no intention of going any further, er well thanks a lot I'm so much more informed....NOT...

so, anyone there who can tell me which are good and which are bad?

I fankyou....

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I'm presuming this is another uselessly informed diabetic nurse?! I've got one too. lol

Did you ever attend a DESMOND one day course? I found it very useful when I was diagnosed with Diabetes Type 2 back in May of last year. Your local hospital will organise them.

As for the carbs, cut out potatoes where possible unless baked in their skins or new bolied. I tend to eat sweet potatoes as they are a good carb and have more vitamins than normal pots.. You can eat rice, preferably Basmati or brown, brown (wholewheat) pasta, any pulses like lentils, chickpeas, beans - even baked beans! Couscous and the wonderous porridge or not fruit based muesli.

STAY AWAY from chips as very high in fat and your pancrease (which as you know produces insulin) has difficulty breaking it down which then in turn puts pressure on your kidneys.

You need to include the good carbs in your diet because it helps increase the blood glucose.

I've lost 27 kilos since last May so I'm very pleased with myself... overindulged a bit at Xmas so it's back to not a difficult day to day eating plan once you get into it. 

The trouble I've found is that there's a lot of seemingly contradictory evidence on what to eat with diabetes. I checked the Diabetes.UK web site and they have recipes that go back to 2007 where since some of the ingredients are no longer advised.

I bought a book called Diabetes for Dummies. If you want the details, happy to post them on here for you. 

[peteryola]

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@lhasa.two wrote:

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@peteryola wrote:

I never take any notice of any of this sort of thing; I eat what I like and want to eat - end of.

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But if you are diabetic you can't eat anything you like! I'm presuming that's why captainbovine started this thread... 

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If I developed that I'd have a very real problem because there is absolutely no way I could inject myself once, let alone daily....

[wskneil]

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@peteryola wrote:

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If I developed that I'd have a very real problem because there is absolutely no way I could inject myself once, let alone daily....

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A large number of diabetics are treated by diet alone, or if not by oral medication

[bhgardeners]

It is all a balancing act.  Unfortunately there are nurses and doctors who understand this and ones that don't.  Then there;s the bury head in sand and believe everything you read in a textbook type.

Best nurse we had said: why come to me you know more than I do, while you are here who do i contact for(this was when the local NHS ran a brilliant diabetic service).

Son has had the - you must lower your cholesterol - why and how were taboo subjects.  A lot of the recommendations do not apply to him as he has other health problems but he got very thin and rather worse for wear trying.  Talked to a different Doc who talked through the why and gave lots of info leaflets.  Cholesterol is lower than it was, son is happy with it and if it is not as low as they like - sorry but .........................

Then there's the - improve your diet lot that say low fat and low sugar are King.  Hmm, low fat generally = high sugar or high salt.

Then there's the sugar free/diabetic stuff is good for you lot - NO it isn't, especially if your stomach doesn't take lindly to "ols". But it works for some people

Then there's the "blood sugar" control not good, improve it.  No response to the HOW, except to be told it is not his other medication because the books don't say there is a clash and nobody else has reported it.  So they haven't son's weird metabolism. So why does the book say "not recommended for diabetics". So son's erratic control co-incided with his getting new meds and going to Uni and it is all blamed on Uni but he's been home nearly 2 years and it is still erratic!!!!! 

Then there's the ruination of a brilliant service by going out to tender. 1st new clinic was at surgery up the road, plenty of parking available, son has got on well with Doc and dietitian, they have got to know him and are providing continuity of care.  Whoops all change, clinic down the road now, new Doc, no mention of dietitian, parking diabolical at all times, no easy walking from alt parking.  Which is probably why the number of type 2 amputations has dramatically increased in the last 6 years.

Then there's the GP and practice nurse insisting you have reviews with them(extra blood tests and 2 extra appointment) presumably because they don't trust the service and whilst they are brilliant for type 2 they aren't that good at type 1(and it is significantly if minorly different) and they keep threatening him with Statins which he won't take anyway so no point even going there.

What we used to have was a dedicated clinic run by a consultant where they weighed, measured, had consultant, specialist nurse, dietitian, chiropody, loads of leaflets, plenty of time to chat, a telephone number and a drop in clinic. Now you have parachuted in Doc(with hopefully a dietitian)  and little in the way of ongoing back up.

AND THEY ALL GIVE CONFLICTING ADVICE!

Carbs = sugar and too much fat is bad for you is a good place to start. After that work out what works for you.

Sorry but son is a type 1 diabetic who used to receive state of the art care and now gets care which ticks all the boxes and no more(though the GP does try his best). Luck to you all. Soap box away and back to work.

[captainbovine]

I know exactly where you are coming from....I am type 2 but I have a friend in work who is type  1 and is being considered for a pancreas transplant. He is all over the place with his levels, it's a shame.

I will try to follow some of the recipes I have received through the diabetic site on my emails...I need to get some blubber off, I just wanted to see what was good carb bad carb.

So far I can have a carrot and maybe some sweet potato.

Like everyone says...conflicting evidence. The so called professionals have no idea what they are talking about, if I ever find two who give me the same advice I'll be lucky!

I know they only ask me to attend some of these appointments so they can reach NHS targets, we are not allowed to make informed choices for ourselves, they treat us like naughty children. I have refused to take statins as they gave me so much joint pain. My cholesterol is now 4.8 and they are still grumbling!

sheesh.......

[bitsnknots]

There's no pleasing some folk is there?