02-12-2014 9:50 PM
What is your opinion on women that breast feed their babies in public? Is it right or should it be done discreedly?
06-12-2014 4:43 PM - edited 06-12-2014 4:44 PM
06-12-2014 4:58 PM
06-12-2014 5:37 PM
Oh, yikes - things have moved on here
Problem is, Frederick (and supporters) - you may very well think your comment was an inoffensive quip, however, I personally found it very offensive indeed. You said something offensive, someone else reacts (in this case, me). The reactor is then vilified. The 'free speech' thing works both ways.
Other posters may "know" you on these boards as being a lovely chap. I don't know that, how could any other poster possibly 'know' it as a given? Your comment was, IMO, offensive and insulting. I reacted. Maybe I shouldn't have called you an idiot. For that I apologise. In the heat of the moment - sorry.
But your apology is is not great. (Quote: There - does that make things better? (Groan - roll eyes) What sort of an apology is that? If you say sorry, you have to mean it, otherwise it is worthless.
My Father in Law does this a lot. He makes so many racist, sexist comments, then laughs it off, saying "Oh, it's just my sense of humour", expecting everyone else to agree with him, but usually they don't. Many comments are made under this cloak of 'humour', and it is really not acceptable.
Whether or not anyone agrees with my PoV, there is actually not a lot you can do about it - it is the law of this land that a mother can breastfeed wherever and whenever she needs to. If you choose "not to agree" - then you really do need to go elsewhere. Go and sit in the toilet, maybe, or a cubicle set aside for objectors. It is the law (not just me being awkward), so anyone who doesn't agree needs to rethink how they will deal with this in the future.
Because, like it or not - b/feeding is here to stay!
06-12-2014 5:44 PM
06-12-2014 6:20 PM
06-12-2014 11:18 PM
People do not necessarily have the right not to be offended, especially where such a claim is somewhat pathetic.
07-12-2014 9:38 AM
07-12-2014 1:18 PM
From guidance on the Equality Act 2010 which would appear to make the action taken by Claridges a case of illegal discrimination
Breastfeeding mothers
A business cannot discriminate against mothers who are breastfeeding a child of any age.
The Equality Act 2010 has specifically clarified that it is unlawful for a business to discriminate against a woman because she is breastfeeding a child.
and Farage's comments to show a sad lack of knowledge, it is not for businesses to decide their own rules.
The UKIP leader, who has four children, said it should be for businesses to decide their own rules but it should be recognised that "some people feel very embarrassed" by breastfeeding in public.
Those who object will just have to put up with it and stop trying to bully breast feeding mothers into hiding away in a corner or other room.
07-12-2014 1:30 PM
Yes - I think someone claiming not to be offended by someone expressing a "Phwooarr" comment within a serious discussion on b/feeding over a display or a potential sighting (or lack of) breast has been brainwashed into thinking that this is now acceptable. It isn't. Breasts are part of a woman's body, they are contextually (and mutually) appropriate within a loving relationship. Viewed solely as something to be ogled at or ridiculed is wrong. If they are being used for their natural purpose (even in public) - well, need I go on? I've expressed my views on that! I really don't understand how some people fail to see the difference, and why some people are offended by a nursing mother (who shows nothing, and the feed goes mainly unnoticed) and a woman bearing her attributes in a provocative manner and invites objectification, but it is apparently more acceptable, in this, the 21st Centry.
The two scenarios are incomparable. Most depressing.
07-12-2014 1:40 PM
Sam- there should be no taboo subjects. Emotive, yes - and you could expect feelings to run high, but Taboo, definitely not!
Discussion is helpful - people can thrash out issues, have minds changed, you might come to know that you were right about something, or possibly be educated and admit you might have actually been wrong etc etc. (That only works if the person in the wrong admits it, though)
As to the Claridge's protest - honestly, if I were of the b/feeding era, I would have happily joined them. I really hope the point was made, I have yet to catch up on the update, so hoping it went well.
08-12-2014 9:00 AM
I personally believe the feeding protest to be a rather inappropriate reaction which is lacks dignity. The point being made has been well highlighted in the media and fools like Farage have been seen for what they are; this protest just dipicts confrontation and a sinking to a level that these mothers should rise well above.
08-12-2014 11:08 AM
au contraire Lambsy. I really think the protest was entirely dignified and peaceful. B/feeding Mums are already being accused (by some) of being undignified, just because they are daring to feed their babies in public. My understanding (from what I've seen in the media so far) is that Claridge's ignored the mothers and babies completely.
An undignified protest would have involved the throwing of objects or ranting and raving, surely? From what I've seen, it was a quiet demonstration. Very Dignified, under the circumstances.
08-12-2014 12:24 PM
@kiss*my*pixel wrote:au contraire Lambsy. I really think the protest was entirely dignified and peaceful. B/feeding Mums are already being accused (by some) of being undignified, just because they are daring to feed their babies in public. My understanding (from what I've seen in the media so far) is that Claridge's ignored the mothers and babies completely.
An undignified protest would have involved the throwing of objects or ranting and raving, surely? From what I've seen, it was a quiet demonstration. Very Dignified, under the circumstances.
I have no reason to believe the demonstration was anything other than peaceful and dignified, but in my opinion an even more dignified approach would be no demonstration.
08-12-2014 12:57 PM
But then how will companies like Claridge's learn the error of their ways?
They were in the wrong, yet still appear to be reluctant to admit it.
If the Suffragettes had ignored issues of discrimination in their day, women wouldn't even have the right to vote now. We'd be made to sit in the corner, b/feeding or not!!
The sort of UK Farage would probably like to see us return to, I suspect
08-12-2014 1:51 PM
@kiss*my*pixel wrote:But then how will companies like Claridge's learn the error of their ways?
They were in the wrong, yet still appear to be reluctant to admit it.
If the Suffragettes had ignored issues of discrimination in their day, women wouldn't even have the right to vote now. We'd be made to sit in the corner, b/feeding or not!!
The sort of UK Farage would probably like to see us return to, I suspect
The incident has been splattered all over the media with people like Farage putting their foot in it leading to plenty of coverage, did the demonstration bring an acceptance of wrong-doing or apolgy from Claridges?
The law is already on the side of the breast-feeder, we don't need Suffragettes!
08-12-2014 2:46 PM
'The law is already on the side of the breast-feeder, we don't need Suffragettes'
The law being on the side of feeding Mums didn't help Lou Burns on that day, because she was unlawfully asked to cover up! It's the attitude of some people that needs to change - hopefully the demo will help to achieve that.
Did the demonstration bring an apology? No, not yet - hopefully it will follow
08-12-2014 3:43 PM
@kiss*my*pixel wrote:'The law is already on the side of the breast-feeder, we don't need Suffragettes'
The law being on the side of feeding Mums didn't help Lou Burns on that day, because she was unlawfully asked to cover up! It's the attitude of some people that needs to change - hopefully the demo will help to achieve that.
It is not unlawful to ask someone to do anything; Lou Burns should have told them where to go and insisted she not be discriminated against as a brest feeding mother as prescribed by law! She should have stood up for her rights at the time rather than have 40 others do it for her, in my opinion!
10-12-2014 11:21 PM
You spoke of wanting to join a demonstration against Claridges over a request for the woman in question to cover up, and followed it up with "Did the demonstration bring an apology? No, not yet - hopefully it will follow"
Do you honestly think Claridges give two figs about how you, or the forty-odd demonstrators who sat on the pavement feeding - oops, breastfeeding their babies feel? Do you honestly feel the manager of Claridges is going to come on to FHG and say: "Oh, please Ms. Pixel, please, please, please accept my humble apologies. Here's a £50.00 voucher off the cost of spending a night at our hotel?" Their apology would be even more profound than mine!
Dear God! (Yes, I've blasphemed) They're not interested in the likes of you! Or me, for that matter. We're just fodder to the cattle. I take it you won't be paying Claridges a visit of an afternoon tea, or spending a few nights at their hotel - get real, girl! Find something else to rave about. After three days in a newspaper, a story like that is dead.
12-12-2014 8:02 PM - edited 12-12-2014 8:03 PM
13-12-2014 2:03 PM
.......Good for the nurses they did the right thing..
@tommy.irene wrote:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/humiliated-young-mum-ordered-out-4798117?ICID=FB_mirror_main Humiliated young mum ordered out of hospital waiting room by nurses for breastfeeding newborn