OE, you around?

This morning I had a strange happening.

 

I'd fire up this computer and it booted up but because I was doing other things, I didn't log on to anything, it was just on the desktop. A while later, I looked over at it and there was a Black screen with an arrow in the middle, then, it started to boot up again.

 

When it had done so there was a box in the middle of the desktop "Windows has recovered from an unexpected shutdown" and "click here to check for solutions online". I did, nothing happened!

 

Any thoughts?



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Thank you for your patience.

 

Easybits software? Does that need to start up straight away? Where did that come from anyway? What's it for?

 

I see two Corel Photo things there. I use PaintShopPro but does that need to run on startup?

 

When I connect a camera by USB I upload my pics and once done, a snapfire thing opens up. To process my pics (crop, alter the contrast/brightness, sort out any colour issues, sharpen & etc I open PSP from my desktop and find the pics in a new folder.

 

If I uncheck the Corel entries, I wonder if things would still work out OK? Something is causing the long boot up time (when the drive light is on) and it never used to be like that.

 

I have 27 icons on my desktop but surely they won't affect the boot time?

 

I suppose if I uncheck anything, I'd need to do a restart before any changes would be effetive?



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Oh Flying Fiddle Sticks - it did it again. Lithium/eBay is definitely off my Christmas card list, cheerful though the appearance of sheer incompetence in others can be.

 

From Wikipedia:

 

Easybits

The company initially announced a line of parental control software in 2003... . Its goal was to offer a safe and educational environment for children.... As an operating system for Windows-based PCs and parental control software, Magic Desktop has been pre-installed on HP computers since 2005 up to present time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easybits

 

Safe to bin, for sure.

 

If you turn other stuff off (Photoshop and the like) in the autostart category, it merely means that they will need to be launched manually when required. This means they will appear to be slightly slower to start, as they won't be running in the background (and guzzling resources.) It's worth experimenting to see what best suits your own useage. It might actually be worth the convenience of having frequently-used programs start with the system, even if that delays system start. Try it and see.

 

It's also worth researching unrecognised stuff on the internet. This can be time-consuming, but worthwhile. The less that starts unnecessarily, the better.

 

I'm sitting here getting fatter and fatter and really  should go for a stroll. Trouble is, every time I get up it starts drizzling again. I'm a complete wimp, and prefer not getting soaked. *Sigh.*

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Well I made it out for my walk and back again between the showers. Just as I got back it started to rain. It's April.... "Oh to be in England, now that April's here...." ?????

 

I had googled easybits but wondered where the heck that had come from and when. I hadn't seen the wiki link.

 

When I shut down this computer, if I close all open programs and shut down straight away, often I'll get a Black cdreen with a nessage that something like some background programs are still running and to go back and close all open programs,,,,,, sooooo, which might they be?



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I'm probably misremembering things - doesn't W7 tell you which programs it's closing when you shut down?

It's probably nothing sinister, anyway, and might just be programs set to autostart. If you've not used them during your session, you'd probably be unaware of them running in the background.

It'll be interesting to hear how your machine behaves as you experiment with preventing various things from starting.

I still believe it might be worth trying a Macrium image - good for peace of mind. It'll be a little annoying if you have to run a chkdsk on the external drive, too, but at least we've figured out how to do it.

A quick thought - confirm the external drive is NTFS-formatted? FAT 32 probably wouldn't work for images, as they comprise a file considerably larger than the 4GB maximum file size for NTFS.

I had a slightly damp stroll to the gym, where I was dismayed to meet up with someone I know. This always results in one feeling one has to try just that little bit harder, and I found that I needed a bit of a lie-down as well as a nice, long shower on my return. I now feel sore and tired virtuous.

At least I'm definitely entitled to a couple of beers - and should really organise some supper, too.

Looking forward to hearing how you get on with that machine.

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Right, I've unchecked three things. I did them one at a time and the restarts seemed quicker but I'll see how it performs in the morning.

 

Nope, my Win 7 has never "said" which programs were closing.

 

 



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This morning it started up OK and after the Windows "tune", there was a slight delay and then a "Thunk" sound. After a few minutes, the drive light was out but after a few minutes started flickering, then came on steady. I didn't see how long it stayed on again but it was all quiet when I came back to the computer. We shall see eh?

 

Oh yes, just remembered, I checked and the external drive is NTFS.



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Right, I closed all things down, disconnected from my router, turned off my firewall, turned off AVG (I selected until next re-start) and tried Windows back up again. After an hour and twenty minutes, it completed.

 

So, I did a re-start, turned on my firewall and connected and here we are.

 

I suppose OE, you're underwhelmed but after all this mucking about, I seem to have a back up on my external drive.

 

I dunno if it was the check disk or what it was that allowed it to complete this time. I did wonder if it was AVG that was the problem because last time I tried, when I turned off AVG I'd used the 15 minute setting? Wocher think?



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Interesting. I suppose it could have been AVG interefering.

 

On the other hand, your disk check might have repaired whatever damaged files were causing your initial error message. Either way, well done! Remember to burn the system rescue disk (or whatever they call it) which will enable you to boot your computer and unpack your backed up image back to a new hard drive.

 

Given Windows's little oddities, I'd still be inclined to do a Macrium image, too, along with the appropriate boot/repair disk. Just make sure you go for the "image" and not the "clone" option.

 

(I'm assuming you did tell Windows backup to do a full drive image, not just to back data up?)

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Oh heck no, I forgot to click "Create System image".................................

 

Can I do that without deleting what I've got so far??



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I'd imagine so, although it's ages since I played with the Windows built in back up program. This page (quite a long way down) describes keeping more than one back-up on a drive, although I suspect that the fact that the new backup will be a full image might obviate that step, anyway:

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/create-system-image-in-windows-7-8/

Quite a nice little how-to here:

https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/4241/how-to-create-a-system-image-in-windows-7/

One potential confusion I can see is the choice to image just the operating system or both the operating system and data. I would honestly image everything offered. You might have to tick boxes manually.

The How-to Geek article also gives a nice short account of creating the rescue disk, and includes a link to a description of how to rescue your computer should you ever need your image.

A nice day (at the moment!) up here, and I think a nice little stroll will be in order. Far to nice to sweat inside the gym and anyway, I'm still recovering from last night. First, though, I must stroll to the supermarket. (Engage tantrum mode) I hate shopping! I don't want to go to the shops! But I need to feed... Wah!

I'd much rather experiment with Windows back-up. It'll be interesting to hear how you get on, cee-dee.

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Hmmmm, it says it could take a few hours........



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Yep, it's a thorough process.

I've an idea Macrium is generally quicker and less laborious but, as I say, it's a while since I tried the built-in imaging software.

Perhaps you could do one of each, if time permits - see whether Macrium or the built-in W7 imaging software suits you better for future reference.

I survived the shopping, so will eat again tonight. Bright and sunny without. I think a stroll is indicated - unfortunately, I don't think I've quite the energy or motivation for another quick gym session.

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I've just thought of a little problem.

 

When you do an image, you have to "schedule" it. That's either a time and/or a restart.

 

BUT, if I shut AVG down, it's for so many minutes before it switches back on or it switches back on when you next do a re-start.........

 

I think it's becoming clear why (I think) the majority of people just don't bother to do back-ups.



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Now I'm confused.

There was certainly no need to "schedule" anything when I made a Macrium image, and I remember nothing like that when I tried the Windows version. Admittedly, that was ages ago, and I wouldn't put it past MS to have a more complicated approach than, say, Macrium or DriveImage.

The guide I referred to earlier:

https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/4241/how-to-create-a-system-image-in-windows-7/

says nothing about scheduling anything, either. Just get on and do it... presumably.

I would have expected it to work even with AVG running, although I realise AVG might have one or two undesirable traits of its own. Still - I'd be inclined to have a go as per the guide.

I wonder whether you might be over-thinking the whole thing. Scheduling and so on would only enter into it if you wanted to set a regular, automated back-up routine in action. If you just want to make one-offs from time to time, then don't worry about scheduling options.

(The only schedule/restart thing I can think of in our recent activities has been the chkdsk - you're not thinking about that, are you?)

A glorious evening, and I enjoyed my walk greatly (despite incorporating a gym visit.) I'm now smelly and starving - shower and supper time, I think.

If the Windows image keeps giving you uphill, why not try Macrium? It really isn't tricky, and it needed no restarts or anything.

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See here, schedule? (From your earlier links at #90):-

 

 



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Drat.

As I said, I mentioned that article primarily because it referred to multiple back-ups - I thought that link might answer one of your queries.

If you look towards the top of the page, it's describing the option to schedule regular back-ups. Useful, if you know the computer will be running at the specified times.

Try the other article:

https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/4241/how-to-create-a-system-image-in-windows-7/

or one of Leo Notenboom's simple guides referenced much earlier. (Remember when we used to be able to scroll through a whole thread while formulating an answer without opening another tab or window?)

Essentially - I think you just want to go straight for the option "Create a system image." The "Backup or restore" blah blah in that window seems to lead to the option to schedule regular back-ups - which might suit you, of course. I just wouldn't be sure that I'd have the computer running with the hard drive connected and provisioned with sufficient free space at the scheduled times.

Hope that sort-of helps. My brain hurts. Exercise supposedly prevents that - not in my limited experience, it doesn't. Bed time, if only the wretched washer/dryer would finish...

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If your brain hurts..... Mine's crashed.

 

No, I certainly don't want to schedule anything. If my computer's on, I'm using it and I don't want any "scheduled" things interferring.

 

All this fiddling about is not what I'm about, I don't want to fiddle with things (or old computers) because it's "interesting". I want to click something and expect it to get on with it.

 

It's like cars. Mine's comfortable, warm (or cool in Summer), is easy to drive with all the convenient things I wanna do. It has umpteen switches, buttons, functions and all sorts of gubbins I don't want to muck about with. Also, I don't want to be messing about with it. Open the bonnet, see all those pipes and wires, shut it quick before it bites!!!! Gone are the days when you could fix a car with a screwdiver, a pair of pliers and a few spanners.

 

Now computers??? YUK.



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Actually, I think I prefer computers to cars. No getting covered in oil and grease, taking all the skin off your knuckles, finally getting everything back together and wondering just where the heck that spring/washer/widget still lying on the workbench should have gone.

I either hated working on cars because I was useless at it, or I was useless at it because I hated it. I can't afford one at the moment, and have to say I just don't miss them. Mind you, I killed the last one through under-use.

And yes, all those wires disappearing into the engine now, from expensive looking electronic modules. Very reliable, but definitely not owner-maintainable. Remember when spluttering to a halt could sometimes be cured by borrowing the lady friend's nail file and cleaning up the electric fuel pump points/distributor points?

Back to those blessed computer thingies. The trouble is that we tend to rely on them for all sorts of things, such as socialising on the internet, getting information and probably most crucially from a break-down standpoint, all sorts of data we'd rather not lose - documents, photographs, videos, music and what have you.

Because the things (giving credit where it's due) just work most of the time, we become complacent. It's only when we lose everything in a hard drive mishap that the horrible feeling dawns that perhaps one needs to go a little deeper into the workings of the beastly things - unless one can afford the services of a computer administrator

Even if data have been backed up and we only have the hassle of reinstalling the operating system and years of updates, then discovering that expensive software we used to rely on can't be reinstalled because we've lost the activations codes/installation files are no longer available/our installation discs have deteriorated/whatever, the idea of getting the hang of making images suddenly makes a certain sense.

I wonder why operating system makers don't, as a matter of course, include imaging software. It could have "Simple" and "Advanced" modes. Most of us would use "Simple" - and the user interface would use simple text (clickable) to choose, "Make an image of everything, from which I can restore my computer to its state right now," "Only back data up," "Only back the operating system up". That would lead to a simple GUI showing your external drive/s and allowing you to click on one as the destination for your image - perhaps with the ability to create a suitable folder if you so wish. You would then press "Start" and wander off to do something more interesting.

On completing the image, it would say, "If you want to make a bootable rescue disc, insert a blank CD and press "Start."

As it is, we have to choose between making ourselves vulnerable by trying to ignore any complications beyond day to day use, and having to spend time and bad temper ploughing through convoluted solutions which, frankly, offer far more than most of us need.

Remember when "They" said that computers would become as simple to operate as mobile telephones? As far as I can see, all that's happened is that mobile telephones have become as irritating and confusing to use as computers.

Bah, humbug.

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We live in evolving times and phones and computers will go through various stages of evolution. Cars will also evolve as they have done to where they are today.

 

Unfortunately...... we live in an age when people who "design" all these things seem to think that users want to fiddle around with the things all the time and at present, a lot of people do....... wasting lots of time in the process.

 

It all started when chips took off and left valves behind. People who liked fiddling with the things (Oooops, I did for a while) suddenly discoved things like "Ooooo, if I ground this pin, add a voltage to that pin and inject a signal to that one, I can make it do........."

 

That's why things have got so complicated even down to such things as a washing machine having lots of programs and buttons.... If you wonder why a simple wash program takes 3 hours, waste some time and watch the thing, they spend ages doing nothing showing that whoever programmed the thing has far, far too much time on their hands.

 

Are many people able to have a computer spend hours "making an image" and be on hand when it finishes ready to make a rescue disk and carry out the whole process regularly?

 

I think they've made the process of saving your current system so awkward to use, most people won't bother and will just throw up their arms in despair if it all goes ***wallop*** and will go out and buy a new one and be done with the thing!



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(I do wish this site would stop nagging me to "Pick your secret questions." Grrr.)

cee-dee, I noticed this comment on El Reg today. They had an article about W10's data slurping and, as often happens, the comments which followed were well worth reading. One of them included this:

"Customer Experience Improvement Program" in Windows 7? The one that's buried in the Action Center. Under two submenus. And enabled by default. And made my W7 PC run like a dog for half an hour every time I switched it on until I finally checked what was running at startup.

https://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/2/2017/04/06/microsoft_windows_10_creators_update/

If you've not done so already, perhaps you might try killing the offending annoyance, and seeing whether that reduces your computer's mysterious activity on start-up.

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