Negative effect on Sellers Late Delivery Rating of items posted on time to Royal Mail service etc

Anyone else somewhat annoyed after posting items same or next day only to find eBay penalises and downgrades the seller late delivery rate score when a delivery service like Royal Mail delay or lose items after the customer rightly create a "Late delivery" Case.     If posted on time why is it the Sellers fault?????

 

1.  Why should the Seller penalised for something out of their control?

2.  Why cant Proof of Postage be accepted as proof of fulfilment of the sellers timely obligation?

 

This seriously effects small value sellers. What do you think as a seller? 

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You have to call customer services. The automated removal service will not remove a defect, it is pointless. The problem generally is that Ebay do not know when you passed the item to the post office. If you call customer service they will give you an email address to send a copy of the proof of postage and they will remove the defect. It's a pain, but the if you let the defects build up your account will be adversly affected.  This will go away with SDelivery,....... 

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In my view, as I've posted elsewhere here it comes down to eBay being economical with the truth when advertising delivery time frames. 

In my example, they knew all my listings had a 5 working day turnaround on them and they knew I only used Royal Mail 48 (which has a 10 working day window for delivery after it enters their network as do all other RM services outside of Special Delivery and eBay almost certainly know this too) yet they advertised delivery for my items 2-3 days after purchase. 

As far as I'm concerned they are false advertising so I was taking screenshots of my orders folder to show customers the last dispatch dates eBay were telling me. They were on average 3 days after their first predicted delivery date.

It's eBay's fault.

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Thanks for the response.  Sounds comment and no argument from me.  Makes me wonder how those sellers that personalise items can cope with this.  Its unfair and like you said it gives a false impression that some buyers don't understand or care about...makes me wonder if eBay care about the small sellers.

 

 

Let eBay know about your experiences and feelings regarding this topic......

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I stopped adding RM tracking code because on a few occasions I was penalised by eBay for late delivery. On two occasions late delivery was because the buyer had to pick it up from the local sorting office and picked it up after the delivery date stated by eBay. 

 

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We are not the only ones having a negative experience about this.  Im sure there will be hundreds more sellers that need to make their feelings known

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I'm sure eBay are aware of the problem but they don't care unless something makes or saves them money.

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It does affect small sellers and small business, but ebay do not care, it is designed to mislead and penalise. There are several posts about this subject on here but from my own personal experience the whole situation is very annoying to say the least.

The business that I work for on ebay recently lost their Top Rated status over LDR's. All the defects came from the black Friday weekend last year, yet the account is still being 'penalised' for these late dispatches. All the affected orders were sent tracked, all collected by RM on the same day, as the account offers same day dispatch, so you cant any quicker than that, and the local RM delivery office actually provide a twice daily collection for that time of year so some even left quicker than normal.

The automatic removal did remove some of these, but the vast majority remained which was raised with Concierge, but after weeks of calls they flatly refused to remove them. We were told there were no issues with delays for that period, we couldn't offer acceptable proof of dispatching on time so they wouldn't be removed, their advice was to use another carrier! When we advised ebay that some had already correctly been removed we were told they these had actually been removed incorrectly, and the rate should be higher. Yet the defects that remained had exactly the same circumstances, dispatched on the same day, same tracking upload date, the same acceptance scan date, and every single order was eventually delivered.

The whole EDD is farce, but is working as designed, designed to penalise and encourage failure. 

For example, cut-off time for same day dispatch, the EDD doesn't change after this time it only changes after midnight, the same EDD is shown to buyers before and after cut-off times. Better still, if you order on Saturday you will get the item on Tuesday even though the service is Tracked 48 and the business only dispatches Monday to Friday.  It also doesnt matter is select Tracked 48 or upgrade to Tracked 24 they will still arrive on the same day. Yet having raised these issues with hundreds of emails and phone calls to customer service as well as Pro-Traders and providing examples with screenshots etc. these issues still remain years later. It was even raised face to face with the shipping team at an open event in 2023 who promised it would be looked into and will follow up, well its Feb 2025 and we are still waiting. (yes they were chased up, again dozens and dozens of times).

Another issue is why does the ebay system say you have dispatched an order when you've simply bought a label, or why does it encourage the buyer to track an order that has no tracking eg RM48 LL? Or as the OP put, 'why cant Proof of Postage be accepted as proof of fulfilment of the sellers timely obligation', they have handed the parcel/letter over to PO counter with a receipt of doing so, which means this is now completely out of their hands, they simply have no control, yet if something goes wrong they are penalised.

The real question is who is at fault? The bad seller who dispatches on time with proof of doing so, on the same day as they have told ebay they will dispatch, or ebay's system? Well for us the situation only happens at that peak time of year, and has done since they bought in the whole EDD and LDR's. So it doesn't take a genius to work out its their system, a system that 'takes into account past performance, carrier performance and peak volumes'. Yet who is penalised and who has to answer the barrage of 'where is my item, YOU told me it will be here by now' messages?

So what do you do? It was explained that unless the defects were removed the business would be left with no choice but to scale down or close the account. Their final response was that the defects will remain and they will be sorry to lose the account. This is a 18+ year, 50K+ 99.9% feedback account, that has paid £10'000's in fees over the years and with 0% other defects apart from the LDR's. We wasn't asking for a reduction in fees or free gifts, coupons etc, just to simply remove something that shouldn't even be there in the first place.

Although the account hasn't closed (yet) it has dropped a shop level, and the number of listings vastly reduced with the inventory being moved to other areas of the business. But I apricate that not every seller has the ability to do that, but ebay have lost some fees, so like many have said "you need to have your eggs in many baskets."

 

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I have never had a problem arranging for eBay to remove a late delivery if the item was posted on time and there is a tracking number for a parcel or Royal Mail proof of posting for large letters which can be emailed to eBay.  The one thing I did have a problem with was using the system to send a request to remove a late delivery.  The negative reply came back in seconds so I still had to phone to arrange for it to be removed.

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It seems the system has changed lately - few months ago I reckon - most likely to AI implementation. It seems impossible to get any removed unless the tracking confirms the eligibility - in which case they should have been there to start with. 

 

I's like to highlight 2 things here based on our experience:

 

- ebay's dispatch date manipulation - we always dispatch as scheduled, at least 20% orders are actually dispatched earlier (same day when 1 handling day advertised); what we get from ebay is 'you dispatched late' based on the fact Royal Mail scanned an item only 2-3 days later! You would expect to have these defects removed as per 'out of control' factor:

 

  • Tracking was uploaded before the latest estimated delivery date and shows that the acceptance scan was within your stated handling time
  • What kinds of defects can be removed, and how?

    We automatically remove defects in certain situations, including where we find the buyer was at fault, if the problem was caused by an eBay site issue or programme error, or if there was an issue outside of your control like postage service delays, or items being delayed because of an extreme weather event.

Not really... ebay somehow has decided to ignore a collection scan (nothing else confirms the actual dispatch), and manipulated the tracking update - i.e.:

 

Royal Mail states: Tuesday 04 February 2025 14:44 Sender has despatched item

 

ebay states: Tue 4 Feb 2:44pm Sender despatching item

 

Surely there is a difference between having something done and doing it. So the courier confirms a dispatch but ebay only accepts it when it gets scanned next time: 'Item Received'. Obviously a courier can take any time between these two, and the seller still gets penalized for late dispatch.

 

- just like in our case, we have been affected by unfair LDD as well as failure to apply seller protection due to sever weather condition. Despite posting and having our items delivered as advertised, ebay now shows it can take up to 10 days (sometimes 6, then 8, and so on). That results in customers visiting our listings just to leave and go somewhere else. We have tried for over 2 months now to get it sorted but ebay has rejected any evidence. What is more interesting they have failed to provide customer service history to confirm so.

 

Having said that, we are taking it further - already reported to Competition & Market Authority and also to Trading Standards. I cannot wait to see the outcome, especially when ebay must provide their grounds for the algorithm when the location, service, courier, destination does is static with no weather warnings in place. We have tracking information confirming all items being delivered within 3 days of order when ebay advising of up to 10 days.

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Oh yes, I am exactly the same, post same or next day and yet I have several late delivery mark downs.

 

It is very wrong we get penalised for something totally out of our control, although that is eBay for you where they make the rules up as they go along.

 

This late delivery was actually brought in when eBay chopped all the discounts and tried to force everyone to offer free postage, and for jumping over a a hundred hoops and back they rewarded you with a new pathetic discount and a dinky TRS badge.

 

The delivery mark downs work for eBay of course, as designed, as it means they have to pay fewer discounts to people chasing this TRS badge who get marked down through no fault of their own.

 

Like all eBay policy it is totally in their interests alone, not ours.

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In fact I likely got marked down for a late arrival this week.

 

Buyer purchased Saturday, posted Monday RM Tracked 48, he then contacted me on Wednesday and said it hadn't arrived, but he could see it was at his local sorting office through the tracking.

 

It arrived the next day, a day late, and when asked by eBay when leaving Feedback, "Did the item arrive on time", they probably and truthfully said 'NO'.

 

So I get an eBay mark down due to Royal Mail's incompetence alone.

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No, it isn't Royal Mail's incompetence. It's eBay being highly economical with the truth.

Outside of Special Delivery, all the Royal Mail services fall under an umbrella programme where they allow 10 working days after an item enters their network to complete delivery. When they give timeframes on the lesser services they refer to them as "aims" not guarantees. You find this out when you try to claim. eBay almost certainly know all of this considering the direct dealings they have with Royal Mail.

Their trick is making you think someone else is at fault. 

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I posted something on the 28th January that arrived today (10th February). I posted it same day, and the customer was only about 2 miles away so most likely handled by the same sorting office.

 

eBay somehow class this is a failing on my part and they also don't seem to take RM's poor performance into account with their 'dynamic' delivery estimates.

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I currently only have 3 late delivery marks and each one is because the buyer failed to collect and then left feedback claiming late delivery. Of course I appealed but my appeal was refused. Correct me if I’m wrong but when late delivery marks were introduced I thought that eBay said that if posted on time then sellers would be protected. Another failed promise at our cost 

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see-search wrote:

1. Why should the Seller penalised for something out of their control?

2. Why cant Proof of Postage be accepted as proof of fulfilment of the sellers timely obligation?This seriously effects small value sellers. What do you think as a seller? 

 

If you don't mind a reply from a buyer-only on eBay:

 

Answer to 1: It seems that for eBay sellers are fair game as eBay have no control (eBay could stop using them for poor performance, so I should perhaps say "no meaningful control") over the carrier, and eBay daren't penalise buyers as that'd put people off buying. eBay won't penalise itself or lose out by it, so they go for whoever's fair game.

 

Answer to 2: Proof of Postage isn't proof of delivery. I've had several items go apparently missing despite using Proof of Postage. There's a legal obligation on the seller to ensure delivery rather than merely having proof of sending: Consumer Rights Act 2015, and the Consumer Contracts (Information, Cancellation and Additional Charges) Regulations 2013, which make the seller responsible for goods until they are in the possession of the consumer or their authorised representative.

 

 

 

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see-search wrote: ... Makes me wonder how those sellers that personalise items can cope with this. ...

 

I buy a lot of made-to-order artwork or customised-to-order. These sellers tend to message to keep the buyer informed. For my items, despatch is often up to a week from order, occasionally 3 weeks, and once longer as the seller was overwhelmed with Christmas orders, and for made-to-order storage I was warned it could take 40 days (was faster). Such sellers must be doing things right otherwise they'd stop selling. I just make sure I'm patient and don't need/want anything urgently.

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You have to call customer services. The automated removal service will not remove a defect, it is pointless. The problem generally is that Ebay do not know when you passed the item to the post office. If you call customer service they will give you an email address to send a copy of the proof of postage and they will remove the defect. It's a pain, but the if you let the defects build up your account will be adversly affected.  This will go away with SDelivery,....... 

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Proof of Postage isn't proof of delivery

 

No, it's not, but eBay are supposedly rating sellers on despatch time, not delivery time. The metric actually says 'orders that were not despatched on time'. Ever since its inception, this metric has been flawed as eBay don't seem to know the difference between despatch and delivery. Late delivery != late despatch.

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As with my previous post, this is simply not the case, no amount of proof of postage is acceptable by ebay other than an acceptance scan within the stated time frame, and this is the issue. If there is no tracking and only final delivery confirmation, even if its handed over at PO counter etc within minutes, if it arrives late then you have a late defect, again no proof of postage is acceptable. If RM don't scan it in time, for whatever reason, and arrives late which it always does, then you are penalised.

For example if you look back to the RM strikes in 2022,  in particular the black Friday weekend and cyber Monday strikes, by Tuesday our local delivery office was completely full, mail sacks were left in vans, there simply wasn't room. Even though they were still collecting twice daily, the parcels never went any further for days. Did the 'Dynamic', super efficient and complex EDD system take this into account, no it did not, did the promised Seller Protection cover, for the vast majority of orders, no it did not. Have ebay listened to their customers and learnt from these errors, 2023, no, 2024, no, all they have done is to continue to gaslight the issue and here we are in 2025 still complaining about flaws in 'their' system.

 

To avoid the repeat of 2022, in 2023 we actually got to the point of messaging every single buyer having to point out that the 2/3 working day service will not arrive before it was even posted or next day as stated and offering to cancel the order if needed, which many did. That is how we avoided losing TRS, absolutely nothing to do with ebays Seller Protection. Buyers think it 'us' telling them it will arrive in these ridiculously quick times at peak periods, or at anytime for some, after all, as sellers we are responsible for the listings.

 

For 2024 given the time it took to contact all of these buyers along with the reduced sales that has plagued the site, we didn't take this approach and this has proved costly.

 

So is the LDR and EDD system working correctly as ebay state? Yes it is, it is designed to penalise, not protect.

 

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You're spot on. Until now we have been protected, just the recent severe weather incidents got us in a mess as ebay failed to apply the blanket protection to our account. Been fighting with ebay for over 2 months now, and only recently they have removed the remaining defects from November 2024 - claiming all the time it was all good. They should have gone within 24-72h apparently, not 9 weeks. Since the start of the year all listings show now between 3-10 days to deliver, change at random. We can either have 3 different delivery estimates for the same service, just a different item. No logic behind it at all. Having gone through all factors we are basically penalised by ebay. Somehow no other sellers show same dates, even despite same service used and same item location! No trainers for a buyer to buy from someone else if they show just 3 days, compared to our 10 days. We have been delivering in 3 days' time throughout January and carry on in February as well. If not enough there is also a3-day delivery filter available making all our listings invisible if used.

 

So having had evidence for 3 day delivery I wish ebay good luck when they are asked to respond to our legal case. Currently with CMA & Trafing Standards - awaiting their findings before going to Small Claims Court.

 

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