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This is as clear as mud to me. Been to the gov. advice website and various others.
How does a 1972 poster fit in to this process?

It's not an exempt category. 


Advise buyers this item is for viewing only ? 

My initial reaction, sadly, to to switch EU and NI off. 
Jo

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Can someone tell me if this applies to sellers who sell through the Global Shipping Platform.  As I am very confused.  I have a company in EU asking for £200 to act as an EU-responsible person contact in the section of the Product Manufacturer details of each listing?  I sell used and new clothing.   I thought GSP took on the ownership of the goods at point of sale via GSP.  I am just a small business seller and can't afford all this extra expense on top of fees, etc.  I have been told if I don't fill in these details, I can't sell to Europe or NI anymore.  

 

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GPSR would still apply even if using GSP.

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Well said, I`ve seen all the detailed discussions between sellers over the ins and outs of a ducks .... but we just need ebay to say what we need to do and what they will do if we cant or dont wish to comply...ie do we just turn off EU & NI sales as many users suggest and if we do so WILL EBAY LEAVE OUR ITEMS UNRESTRICTED IN GB and Rest of world? I know its difficult for anyone running the ebay empire but they have a huge IT department and resources, us individual sellers should not be expected to each draw our own conclusions by guessing what they will do. Come on ebay please lets have some clear messages of definite advice for business sellers! 

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You forgot to mention preparing the next fantastic Seller Update explaining that all these "improvements" really add value & make it worthwhile paying all the fees for Business sellers.😂

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"Customs will start checking this from 13. December. If these details are not included with the items, they may not pass."

 

Can you please provide a link to where you found this gem.

 

I've seen no evidence that CN22/CN23 are to be changed, also nothing about the need to change Commercial Invoices. Nor that there is/has been a massive recruitment drive by the countries involved to get more Customs agents which would be necessary if as you suggest items will be opened to see if the GPSR informaton is enclosed.

 

There may be random examination & opening of items particularly from countries deemed to be high risk but unless I am mistaken the EEA countries will not have the resources to open massive amounts of letters/parcels.

 

 

 

 

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@bzmotman wrote:

"Customs will start checking this from 13. December. If these details are not included with the items, they may not pass."

 

Can you please provide a link to where you found this gem.

 


I had asked the UK Department of Business and Trade a couple of days ago whether the 'placing on the market' would relate to the date it gets into customs or whether it is the date of the purchase/invoice (as the EU Blue Guide seems to suggest) and they replied back

 

Following on from your email below I’ve been informed that sample inspections at customs will start from 13th December. The primary focus really should be on the actual presentation of the products scheduled to hit customs on or after the 13th December, and ensuring it’s carrying the correct data.



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Regarding section 2.3 about the applicability of the regulations. 

 

This line about when GSPR would apply is very interesting:

"When  made available for the first time on the union market"

 

We mostly sell second hand model trains, the majority of which are from Germany, Austria and France, and have been sold there previously. 

 

So here are the latest queries that this thows up... 

 

If an item has been sold in the market previously then the regulations do not apply?

 

If the above is the case (which we can prove) how do we state that on our listings so that ebay does not restrict them as non compliant?

 

We have some items made in the GDR, acquired from UK collectors, which we cannot prove were sold in Germany prior to the creation of the EU, but some identical items we can show came from collections in Germany - how will they be differentiated by ebay?

 

Some clarity on this from ebay would be very helpful

 

 

 

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I contacted eBay about this email I received demanding I pay $200 for a
Responsible person to be assigned to my listings.

eBay agent advised if the email wasn't received in ebay's inbox report it
to spoof@ebay.co.uk. eBay will update us through the messages system as
and when required.

If is going to be impossible for me to update all of this information on
each listing for clothing, some new and used so therefore, I may have to
not sell to the EU in this case and will inevitably, lose sales.

It's not a good time of the year to introduce or deactivate a listing at
peak trading time deadline I was given was 13th December, and both eBay and
sellers will lose out. It should be delayed at least until a quiet period
when sellers have the time to implement all the data.
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@reynardnoirrailwayana2015 wrote:

Regarding section 2.3 about the applicability of the regulations. 

 

This line about when GSPR would apply is very interesting:

"When  made available for the first time on the union market"

 

We mostly sell second hand model trains, the majority of which are from Germany, Austria and France, and have been sold there previously. 

 

So here are the latest queries that this thows up... 

 

If an item has been sold in the market previously then the regulations do not apply?

 

If the above is the case (which we can prove) how do we state that on our listings so that ebay does not restrict them as non compliant?

 

We have some items made in the GDR, acquired from UK collectors, which we cannot prove were sold in Germany prior to the creation of the EU, but some identical items we can show came from collections in Germany - how will they be differentiated by ebay?

 

Some clarity on this from ebay would be very helpful

 


If you read further down in Sect. 2.3 of the Blue Guide, you can find this

 

As for ‘making available’, the concept of placing on the market refers to each individual product, not to a type of product,  and whether it was manufactured as an individual unit or in series. Consequently, placing on the Union market can only  happen once for each individual product across the EU and does not take place in each Member State. Even though a  product model or type has been supplied before new Union harmonisation legislation laying down new mandatory  requirements entered into force, individual units of the same model or type, which are placed on the market after the new requirements have become applicable, must comply with these new requirements

 

So this means that unless that particular individual physical item in question has been already in the EU before 13. December the GPSR applies to it. So anything you send to the EU from 13 Dec. onwards will have to comply.

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@kaz-sandvika wrote:
I contacted eBay about this email I received demanding I pay $200 for a
Responsible person to be assigned to my listings.


$200 per year is very cheap. We got quoted more than Euro 1000 per year by others.

 

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I have just got off the phone with a eBay CS rep who spoke to a specialised team while on the call who said that all items listed as "Used" or "pre-owned" are not subject to the GPSR on ebay as per Article 51 or whatever the hell it is. As in you do not need to fill in the "Item Disclosures" section because the "Used" condition will over-rule it. They were fairly definitive with this information.

 

I'm going to double-check this with ebay closer to the 13th but for me at least it means that 90% of my listings require no changes. Though I am paying lip service to it by ticking things like "Not suitable for children under 3" on every listing.

Ebay's policy at the moment is mainly to go "Here's the links, you're on your own" in terms of what information to get and how to obtain it but eBay need, with 4 weeks to go, to give sellers tools so we know we are being compliant. Why is there nothing on Seller Hub that says "Needs GPSR Product Disclosures - ##" like there is for Additional Item Specifics? Why is there nothing that states how many listings are compliant? Are eBay going remove thousands, millions of listings on 13th December for not being compliant? Boy, I would NOT want to be a eBay Call Centre Drone on that day.

 

Still no information about what we do for items that simply don't have the required information - i.e. safety regulations and user guides for books and other media. eBay Drones just say "Read the information, find what you need". Explanations that the required information simply does not exist or whether workarounds like stating "n/a" are possiible fall on deaf ears. 

 

But as things stand all I have to do is turn off postage to EU and NI for about 220 out of 2200 listings then i'll take that. I hope I don't have to deal with dumb s**t like items from New Look or something mentioning New Zealand getting flagged as not Used.

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Thanks for your post. I hope what you say is the case but I would like Ebay to put this in clear, legible writing for official confirmation. 

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ebays own GPSR page states...

 

"In general, used items are in scope of the GPSR"


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That page hasn’t been updated in weeks. As far as I am aware the information I got was up to date. But like I said I’m going to double check with eBay in a couple of weeks.

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OK- this is from the actual EU GPSR pages...

" This Regulation applies to products placed or made available on the market whether new, used, repaired or reconditioned. It does not apply to products to be repaired or reconditioned prior to being used where those products are placed or made available on the market and are clearly marked as such."

 

I would say it would be wise to double check.

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It applies to virtually everything which is why the regulation and means of compliance are so complex.

All the above allows is for someone to sell a product/assembly reaching the end of its life as ‘spares/repairs for reconditioning’ I.e. already broken so that an end user (Joe public) is unlikely to buy and use it. (Although it could be a way for someone in the EU to purchase an item from the UK that doesn’t comply and fix it themselves, however, it would need to then comply if ever resold within the EU/NI as working).

The theory behind this ‘loophole’ is simply that if an item is sold for reconditioning, then the reconditioning company will, when fully repaired, have to ensure full compliance before selling it on as repaired, secondhand, reconditioned etc. It’s at that point it will most likely come into the hands of an end user (consumer) and therefore need to meet appropriate safety standards etc.

And yes, still a stupid rule designed purely to control the EU marketplace.

 

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Yes its been ages since they did an update, im out but it might be worth someone mentioning it in the wednesday weekly chat ?

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When I first read this I was all for blocking sale to the EU and NI. After many discussions with eBay CS and Dept of Trade and Industry as the majority of my items available are used items made BEFORE 13th December 2024. As such these items will be exempt from GSPR. So I will NOT be blocking sales but see how it goes. I have added to every single listing at the bottom the following text line using bulk edit. - This product was available for sale in the EU prior to December 13th 2024. I am now trying to get in the habit of putting a date in the title where feasible.

 

The new items that I do buy in from China as an ongoing line the supplier details required have already been added to those listings.

 

I will see how things go from here on.

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@stampsnallsorts wrote:

When I first read this I was all for blocking sale to the EU and NI. After many discussions with eBay CS and Dept of Trade and Industry as the majority of my items available are used items made BEFORE 13th December 2024. As such these items will be exempt from GSPR. So I will NOT be blocking sales but see how it goes. I have added to every single listing at the bottom the following text line using bulk edit. - This product was available for sale in the EU prior to December 13th 2024. I am now trying to get in the habit of putting a date in the title where feasible.

 

The new items that I do buy in from China as an ongoing line the supplier details required have already been added to those listings.

 

I will see how things go from here on.


Hi, The information from concierge and DTI would seem to be at least partially incorrect (i.e. secondhand goods and/or products made before Dec 13 2024 are certainly not exempt).

I was hoping my component parts (new and used spares) would be also be exempt but reading the regs it would appear not. Also, eBay stopped me from listing these unless I complied (which I couldn’t) so I had to remove EU and NI shipping.


Please come back with an update after December 13th to advise if:

 

1/ You were able to list by ticking “GPSR exempt”.

2/ Your items are still visible to EU and NI and therefore you are getting sales, and

3/ Your items are passing customs compliance checks and actually getting to the EU/NI customers.

 

Thanks and very best of luck.

 

 

 

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Thank you for all your help and advice. I am still not sure if we have to create a data privacy legal policy that includes our Business names, how long we keep data for, how we use data, whether we delete data upon request, etc. Does anybody know if we have to have one of these legally drawn up? I only use data for eBay purpose and record keeping for HMRC as we have to keep documents for 7 years by law just in case we get an audit.

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