GPSR Compliance

[bojangled]

This is as clear as mud to me. Been to the gov. advice website and various others.
How does a 1972 poster fit in to this process?

It's not an exempt category. 

Advise buyers this item is for viewing only ? 

My initial reaction, sadly, to to switch EU and NI off. 
Jo

[scootsarb]

I have over 4000 listings active. I am dreading going through them to add this detail in.

Yes 95% of them are car parts and 50% of those have the same manufacturer but what about the rest.. Just seems like they're making it harder for us sellers with lots of different items to comply.

Why can't ebay add a information feild like CRN number in the Business details section?

[555njp]

Pardon my ignorance, but that paragraph implies that anything manufactured/sold within the EU prior to 13/12/24 is exempt and (theoretically then) would be resealable without having to comply i.e. would remain exempt.
Surely that cannot be correct? Otherwise the directive would have been so much simpler (would just say "applicable to goods produced on or after 13/12/24 and offered for sale in the EU") and we wouldn't need to be updating listings for anything other than new products?

Also it contradicts by saying the law the doesn't provide exceptions for entities that no longer exist (wouldn't need to say that if only applied to new products)?
I think this is eBay getting it wrong?

[bojangled]

@stampsnallsorts 

Thanks for that info. I did try Global Shipping Programme a year ago for around 3 months. Zero sales, several enquiries about the possibility of reduced shipping costs.

Switched to DIY shipping. Was quite successful I think lost parcels total 6 with 2 of those having been returned to me due to issues the other end. But Italy and Spain are the no shows for me.

Just can't be bothered with the extra work this GPSR will entail, it's unproductive, financially and physically. 

[scootsarb]

Has anyone added the required detail to their listings yet?. How does it show up in an active listing?

If you have @ me so I can see. Cheers!

[cultman1]

you cant switch EU eBay sites off if you already have registered to sell to them there...

[stampsnallsorts]

You can. What you need to do is go to your business policies and select postage. For each postage policy you can set up an exceptions for any country / area on the globe. Simple. See attached on of the exceptions I have currently set

[moonspender]

Just tried getting some answers re collectables / antiques from Ebay using the weekly chat, worth a look

[cultman1]

where is the info?

[billythecardy]

I tried to get some sense out of eBay on this topic during the Community Chat today, but I don't think they know anything beyond what they've told us - ie not a lot.

They just keep repeating that if an item is not exempt then you have to provide the information.

I shall write to my new MP about this as it will affect both my eBay business (which sells to Europe and NI) and my other business (own website) which currently only sells to UK inc NI. I was about to start selling into Europe in that business too but now I'm going to wait and see what happens with this. 

It's so frustrating not to be able to get a straight answer. 

How do they expect all the growth they are hoping for if small businesses are being hampered by this?

[technthread]

Post 42 on the eBay weekly chat still leaves questions. eBay say they will let you list it that's great but it doesn't mean it will pass through GSP without being confiscated. 

[technthread]

https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/Chat-with-the-eBay-Community/Weekly-Chat-with-the-eBay-Community-Tea...

[moonspender]

Its

https://community.ebay.co.uk/

Then go to the blue box, weekly chat with the community team

[cultman1]

eBay are behaving like Amazon and the treatment of their sellers especially with important relevant topics like this is highly unprofessional.

I am not suprised mind you. usual corporate culture attitude.

The thousands of sellers on eBay pay their salaries and its a disgrace.

[moonspender]

Its what i would have expected, its no change really, if you put an items thats excluded through you need to put the CN code on and EU customs should then understand its excluded.

If they then check the item is what you said it is it should be ok.

If its a brand new ipad instead they will confiscate it

This is how i hope it will work anyway ....

Remember if suddenly everyone stops selling to the EU there will be alot of customs officials and couriers in the EU out of a job.

Currently outside of EBay VAT on antiques is lower so you put the right code on and customs might check it, again if its an ipad they will confiscate it, charge the right tax or return it ... same same

[technthread]

The first thing that came to mind for me was Uranium Glass. eBay let UK sellers list it with GSP turned on but as soon as Pitney Bowes receive it they won't ship it on.

Any unticked box for GPSR could lead to the same thing even though eBay allow it to be listed. I suppose until people start reporting back after December there is no way of knowing how stringent GSP will be. I'm more confused the more I think about it. 

[cultman1]

I totally agree.

The whole GPSR Compliance has been introduced with a haphazard time
frame and the implementation of the regulations is proving in my opinion
a nightmare for sellers to conform to...

[moonspender]

I see, we dont use the GSP, so post everything ourselves but im confident that with the right CN code it will get through . We deal in glass objects though so they are excluded from damage.

it will get worse June next year though with the new eu rules around antiques, private seller selling antiquities will find it near on impossible to sell low value items into the EU

https://theada.co.uk/how-will-the-eus-new-import-licensing-for-art-and-antiques-affect-you-heres-a-b...

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@555njp wrote:

Pardon my ignorance, but that paragraph implies that anything manufactured/sold within the EU prior to 13/12/24 is exempt and (theoretically then) would be resealable without having to comply i.e. would remain exempt.

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That's the problem; the exemption applies to products that are already physically located within the EEA. As quoted from the regulations:

"Member States shall not impede the making available on the market of products covered by Directive 2001/95/EC which are in conformity with that Directive and which were placed on the market before 13 December 2024."

As per Directive 2001/95/EC:

"(2) It is important to adopt measures with the aim of improving the functioning of the internal market, comprising an area without internal frontiers in which the free movement of goods, persons, services and capital is assured.

(3) In the absence of Community provisions, horizontal legislation of the Member States on product safety, imposing in particular a general obligation on economic operators to market only safe products, might differ in the level of protection afforded to consumers. Such disparities, and the absence of horizontal legislation in some Member States, would be liable to create barriers to trade and distortion of competition within the internal market."

As I understand it the exemption would only apply to a non-EU established seller if they held stock in the EEA that was imported into the EEA before 13th December 2024 even if the last of that stock was sold after the 13th December deadline. It merely removes an internal barrier; if the same non-EU established seller wanted to import more (identical) stock into the EEA or sell the same items directly to EEA consumers after the 13th December 2024 deadline they would need to employ an EU established economic operator.   

At least, that's how it sounds like it works to me. The EU Commission has not really provided much in the way of straightforward guidance nor working examples of how the regulations will work; all I can find is this factsheet (PDF file) from 2022.

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@moonspender wrote:

Its what i would have expected, its no change really, if you put an items thats excluded through you need to put the CN code on and EU customs should then understand its excluded.

If they then check the item is what you said it is it should be ok.

If its a brand new ipad instead they will confiscate it

This is how i hope it will work anyway ....

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It would be very difficult to game the system by listing an iPad in the Antiques category as no buyer would realistically ever see it in their search results. Trying to game the system by listing the item correctly then deliberately making a misdeclaration on the customs form would be a chronically bad idea due to the electronic customs data provided by eBay. For a start the buyer would have an easy time claiming (and winning) INAD and if eBay thought the seller had essentially tried to smuggle something into the EEA it would no doubt result in one of those "permanent" selling restrictions.  

Besides, anyone selling an iPad should be able to provide Apple's EU declaration of conformity as Apple themselves are the requisite economic operator.  

[triple512]

Useful info, thanks.