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This is as clear as mud to me. Been to the gov. advice website and various others.
How does a 1972 poster fit in to this process?

It's not an exempt category. 


Advise buyers this item is for viewing only ? 

My initial reaction, sadly, to to switch EU and NI off. 
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I think they will go by the CN22/23 customs form needed on every package (or tracked letter) which shows sender and whether its a gift/sale/sample etc

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GSP Seller Terms and Conditions:

“13b Country Exclusion Lists

If you have previously restricted international buyers from purchasing your items by creating and applying a postage exclusion list to your listings, your exclusion list will also apply to GSP Items unless you choose to override your exclusion list. If you do not currently have an exclusion list in place and wish to create one, you must update your account settings within My eBay. If you have any items listed on eBay.co.uk that, for whatever reason, you suspect cannot lawfully post or import to a country eligible under the Programme, then you should restrict international buyers in that country from purchasing your items by creating and applying an exclusion list within My eBay.”

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Just watched this :

https://youtu.be/cA-u70G5Jss?si=ygz9OTkn2bZWfAUG

Nic & Andrea Hills answer some GPSR questions with input from eBay. 

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After reading all the discussion on here for months, I was waiting and hoping (with very little faith) that something might change before the deadline. 

 

Unfortunately, I have just had to turn off NI + Europe as GSPR compliance isn't viable for me as far as I can tell.

 

I have added these as blocked destinations but left the GSP active in hopes that I can still make sales outside of the EU. Is this likely to be OK?

 

Someone, a few posts ago, suggested GSP would need to be turned off no matter what but I can't see why this would be the case - it does seem that blocked destinations really do get blocked even with GSP active.

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Beggars  Belief 

ebay could not find somebody to explain this officially 

Left to  these  guys to do their job for them 

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@vintage-emporium-jedburgh 

I realise YT is part of their business, but they do more for eBay ‘little foibles’ than eBay does. 

I’ve decided, after watching this and reading the thread regularly, to leave NI and Europe switched off for now.  
What concerns me is the assumption that if you do nothing then listings non compliant will just be hidden from those locations, I can’t help but feel the hiding won’t be as concise as that. I know I’m being pessimistic, but I’ll wait until the dust settles.

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Hi
Can you tell ne where to turn of or add these as blocked destinations NI +
Europe please
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Thats whats was needed , they explained in a simple and easy to understand way , a video like this needed to be produced earlier to still beating hearts and quell fears very well done and thanks

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Europe and northern island  are such a small part of our  sales their switching off

For an abundance of caution rather safe than sorry

Decades of selling on ebay has learned us to be over cautious with ebay

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In which Nic occasionally allows Andrea to talk! 

Apart from that, there are a number of comments on the video that are incorrect. The legislation document, when read with the definition guide & cross referencing with the blue book, is clear that 'placed on the market' does not refer to when a second hand item, or an individual item in a product line, was first offered to the market but when the actual individual item for sale was offered by the current seller to the market. 

Likewise they seem unclear on the definition of antiques & collectables, which do have legal definitions. Antique has to be over 100 years old. Collectibles do come under other legislation but it's somewhat of a grey area. Again, how this would be monitored & whether postal services / other checks stick to any of the guidelines or misunderstand them is an issue. 

They didn't deal with the 'responsible person in the EU' question, which might not apply to lots of the folks on this thread, but is a major issue for anyone who adapts an item or crafts etc.

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Also worth mentioning:

 

They are telling sellers that it's safe to do nothing because enforcement action will occur at the listing level rather than the account level.

 

However, it say's right there in ebay's written guidance: 'However, there should not be GSPR-related action at an account level unless a relevant number of listings are reported or a seller repeatedly violates requirements after suitable warnings'.

 

This doesn't sound like your account will be safe to me.

 

How many reports?

Are these reports from other users? An enforcement body? Ai/ bots?

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Thanks for the video and information. I have already made a postage policy
to exclude the EU and Northern Ireland but after watching your video I
won't put any other listing into that policy until I hear more from eBay or
get a message from them as I am really not sure which listing it will
affect at this point
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Business policy postage options 

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@m-a-photo wrote:

After reading all the discussion on here for months, I was waiting and hoping (with very little faith) that something might change before the deadline. 

 

Unfortunately, I have just had to turn off NI + Europe as GSPR compliance isn't viable for me as far as I can tell.

 

I have added these as blocked destinations but left the GSP active in hopes that I can still make sales outside of the EU. Is this likely to be OK?

 

Someone, a few posts ago, suggested GSP would need to be turned off no matter what but I can't see why this would be the case - it does seem that blocked destinations really do get blocked even with GSP active.


It was me, and sorry for any confusion, I was answering a post that thought it was ok to use GSP to get around GPSR into Europe, which obviously isn’t OK.

As long as your ‘country’s you do not ship to’ list exclude all of EU and NI then yes you can still use GSP for RoW.

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An interesting video, but I'm not convinced that they know what they are talking about.

In particular, their idea that "placed on the market" means the first time the item was listed on eBay, or their assumption that eBay is going to apply the rules in a staggered way - so that a listing first started in 2020 will not have the rules applied, for instance.

 

And really, leaving things till next year (though it is a neat and quick solution) won't really solve the basic problem with second hand and vintage goods.

 

Here is a selection of the stuff I sell:

- a glass condiment set.

- some snapshots of an unidentified nun.  

- various old horse brasses.

- a handmade christening robe.

- an anthology of classic poetry.

- a starched wing collar.

- a collection of pen nibs.

- a straw hat.

- a pottery vase signed "Michael".

 

Most don't have manufacturer's names.  None have manufacturing dates (not even the book).  Compliance is literally impossible.

 

The options, realistically, are:

- ignore it and see what happens.

- list all the items as made by Nemo, Nusquam Way, Terra Incognita, pick a manufacturing date at random, and make up some safety information along the lines of "DO NOT EAT THIS ITEM OR USE IT TO ATTACK ANYONE (even if they do work for the EU Regulatory department)."

- block sales to the EU and Northern Ireland until the directive is revised or falls into disuse.

- spend the rest of my life researching the current contact details of unknown firms and burial places of anonymous individuals who probably died half a century ago and didn't mark their goods in any way, for items that will yield a couple of pounds apiece in profit.

 

 

 

 

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"An interesting video, but I'm not convinced that they know what they are talking about."

 

I don't look at You Tube very often - better things to do with my life; however I get the impression anyone can post anything on there without it being verified, or being verifiable.  I also get the impression many of these types of videos are from wannabe 'influencers' on an ego trip.

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Yes their riders about the legal denial of info by ebay is definitely no surprise, but the Youtube video was far far more effort and probably more instructional than ebay's dismal efforts in this hot important topic. 

Shelving NI & The EU has been my chosen choice a few weeks back, personally, im not racing to restore those sales destinations until the dust settles, how ever much i feel for the poor Irish folks.

Do you trust ebay to only block those destinations for your listings ?

Maybe they'll offer a route should the sellers pay for coverage ?

Other platforms have been far more proactive and helpful in helping their members in this change.

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@bravergrace Andrea and Nic have been involved in various meetings with eBay over this and worked hard to try to get some clarification.  Its hard to get anything more definitive.  Personally, the biggest thing was the reassurance that account level action was not going to be taken, that listings may be hidden from the EU and sellers would have the opportunity to take action.  Their take, is mainly backed up by the 4/12/24 eBay announcement:

 

https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/Announcements/General-Product-Safety-Regulation-GPSR-Reminder-of-key...

 

Would the other option, not on your list, be to appoint an EU responsible person, put yourself as the first person putting your products on the market and conduct a risk assessment on those products for safety implications to the market i.e. apply common sense - is this product ever likely to have a safety recall, for which all items on your list the answer would be no.  The eBay listing number becomes the unique identifier and the description becomes the document.  

 

Sometimes its lesser of evils to find a way we can comfortably move forwards.  I ended up paying for a responsible person I've gone with EUCOMPLIANCEPARTNER.com at $250 as its multichannel unlimited products.  If you're eBay only VATai.com said they'd do 10,000units/ year for 100 euro.

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Thank you for your reply, but I'm not convinced.

The "no action at account level" isn't really what eBay say - they only say "no action at account level ... unless a relevant number listings are reported."

 

Which begs the questions:  

- What's a relevant number?

- Reported by whom?

 

If one of my competitors/an aggrieved customer/my ex-sister-in-law chooses to report ALL my listings for non-compliance, I will have 7000 reports made against me.  Surely that must be a relevant number?   Will all my accounts be permanently suspended?  

 

As for paying $250 for someone to translate my "Do not strangle yourself with this cravat" safety warning into two dozen languages, that isn't something I'd be happy with. 

 

Firstly, because I've no way of knowing whether that $250 would be going to a scammer,

 

Secondly, because it still doesn't address the basic problem that it isn't possible to make most of my listings compliant.   I do not know what tailor made some unbranded tweed breeks, nor the year they were made (though I can guess to within 4 decades), nor how to contact the maker without a ouija board and a clairvoyant medium.

 

Thirdly, because $250 would be a fair chunk of my annual EU earnings, once I've excluded the items that can't be made compliant.  So that $250 wouldn't be for 250 sales annually, it would be for about 10 sales annually.

 

I imagine most sellers of older vintage items and low-value collectables will be in the same position.  With the best will in the world, the majority of our stock literally cannot be made compliant.  That means that any fees are not helping us maintain profitable selling to the EU; they are subsidies to a small number of potential sales.

 

I am actually worried by all this.  I don't have many EU customers - not since the German packaging regulations business - but the ones that I do have, buy specific stuff, and it isn't brand new current stuff that comes in a box from China with the manufacturer's contact details in 27 different languages.  It isn't stuff that can be made compliant.

 

 

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Pretty sure account level action will be swiftly taken when the EU starts going after eBay for showing anything non-compliant.
Especially those businesses sneakily trading on private accounts to get around the rules.

Hopefully eBay will issue fair warning before shutting anyone down though.


As I said before, sellers trying at least to comply with GPSR need some kind of validity check on their listing before it goes live to give peace of mind, otherwise you may still be in breach and ultimately attract a fine.

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