26-06-2024 5:41 PM
This is as clear as mud to me. Been to the gov. advice website and various others.
How does a 1972 poster fit in to this process?
It's not an exempt category.
Advise buyers this item is for viewing only ?
My initial reaction, sadly, to to switch EU and NI off.
Jo
29-11-2024 1:23 PM
"or was physically located in the EU"
Where are you getting that from? The wording on all the EU documents I've seen say 'offered for sale to the market', which doesn't mean they have to be physically in the EU.
29-11-2024 1:27 PM
Well as ebay have oodles of staff and working on this would help sellers , rather than create more problems with their 'improvements - some could start on books , records , cd's, videos , stamps, general collectibles and such - then maybe tools, white items - its a start - where exactly did ebay start ?
They have been taking our fees for 'something' for months.
29-11-2024 1:34 PM
The GPSR policy specifically states
Member States shall not impede the making available on the market of products covered by Directive 2001/95/EC which are in conformity with that Directive and which were placed on the market before 13 December 2024.
When it comes to placed on the market and the meaning of it you need to look up point 2.3 in the EU Blue Guide.
29-11-2024 1:34 PM
I'll not be turning off my EU postage, eBay say they will block them showing in the EU.
So saves me a job.
29-11-2024 1:39 PM
ebay has a compliance team of 200. That won't all necessarily be working on GPSR.
Look my point is you can't compare Discogs to ebay. Discogs has a specific product focus and benefits from having what I would say is a highly focused group of sellers who know what they are on about. It isn't necessarily the staff logging that data - its the diligent work of those who access the platform.
The data logged against the products is far more likely to be accurate than if you say opened up a similar approach on ebay. I can tell from experience on amazon that data sharing product info on say a Rolex Spare Watch Strap is open to errors. All sellers might log a different spelling of the brand, or the colour, or the length or they upload their own brand name instead of Rolex or they state it was made in the UK to get around GPSR entirely when infact it was made in China. All examples - but the amazon catalogue is a mess because of it.
There just isn't an easy answer to catalogue and data management unfortunately, but I can say that ebays team of 200 wouldn't make a dent in the ebay catalogue.
29-11-2024 1:43 PM
'making available' & 'placed on the market' are both mentioned in the blue guide. The 'placed on' can be read as meaning physically in the EU but the 'making available' & 'offered to' seems to imply they don't need to be to qualify for the exemption.
29-11-2024 1:44 PM
Danger is tho moldosgifts, will eBay play safe and delist the the item entirely? It appears that the message is they will simply not allow the item to appear in the local eBay sites within the EU. However, what about people using VPN - which is getting on for some third of all internet users I have read - and also those who use .com eBay? Will the EU force eBay to avoid all possible exposure to internet users by fully delisting all items? Or will it suffice to simply remove postage locations?
If it isn't suspended, and goes live on 13th, not having the postage open to the EU could fall foul of the rules referenced above about items being 'on the market'. So, leave the item postage locations live to the EU, is there a risk of losing the whole listing?
Place ya bets!
29-11-2024 1:44 PM
ebays team of 200 wouldn't make a dent in the ebay catalogue.
If they dont do anything then they surely wont make a dent. Maybe some of the staff allocated to 'things' for NI or EU trade will have a lot more time on their hands in the near future.
29-11-2024 4:11 PM
@jeznorthbay wrote:Not sure what your point is as such shops buy & place on the market items constantly.
Any stock an EU second hand/antiquarian shop currently has or stock they purchase from within the EU/EEA/NI that was physically located within the EU/EEA/NI prior to 13th December is exempt from the GPSR. If they purchase stock after 13th December from an online marketplace (for example) they will only be able to purchase items that comply with or are that are exempt from the GPSR. In most cases they will not even be shown items offered for sale from business sellers who are unable or unwilling to comply; in this case the shop would be completely unaware those sellers' items even existed.
Such a shop would not be prevented from purchasing items from third-country private sellers; in this case the shop is responsible for complying with the GPSR as they will be deemed to be the importer. So, if the shop purchases an item from a third-country online marketplace seller after December 13th to sell on eBay either the seller (if they are a business seller) or the shop would need to ensure an EU-established responsible person was employed to be responsible for the product's safety - even if the product is not required to meet any harmonised EU product safety standards. In this case - and many others - the GPSR has essentially become a tariff.
29-11-2024 5:02 PM
I'm not sure what the point was of that reply, as it all leads back to my original point, which is that there is no way such shops & all the 100's of 1000's or similar small shops across the EU will be able or willing to follow these new rules & as there hasn't been any sign of large scale protest, which is common in EU countries, I ask whether we are not been given the guidance needed or that some aspect of the rules has not been communicated in a way that is understandable.
29-11-2024 5:10 PM
@baby_buzz_direct wrote:• Any additional technical information and documentation that is available on your products. We need this for every product you sell. E.g.: EU declaration of conformity, if an EU directive applies (if known), declaration of performance, test lab reports etc.
This only applies to products required to meet harmonised EU standards such as anything that requires a CE mark. Retailers, importers, manufacturers, distributors etc. are already responsible for ensuring such products are compliant by having a valid Declaration of Conformity (for example) and are expected to be able to produce this documentation upon request. If a toy (for example) has been repaired it will be required to meet the current EN71 standard and therefore might need retesting and a new DoC. The same applies to a used toy or a toy that has never been used but that has a DoC for an older EN71 standard. There would be no expectation for a seller to produce a DoC, CoA, CoC nor any test lab reports for something like a book or a DVD.
If the EU had focused solely on compliance with harmonised product safety standards I would absolutely believe it was purely an exercise in ensuring only "safe" products entered the EU market. I also believe something needed to be done as online marketplaces in general have been woefully poor at policing the safety of the goods available on their marketplaces. However, the GPSRs are in addition to (not complementary to) the EU's harmonised product safety standards and therefore are essentially a tariff on goods sourced from third-country online marketplace sellers due to the "EU-established responsible person" requirement.
@baby_buzz_direct wrote:But much of this information would not be accessible to most retailers. Manufacturers/importers will keep this under wraps for reasons of confidentiality. It is therefore them who have to employ the EU responsible person, not the retailer. You just have to ask your supplier for their EU responsible person details and they should give it to you. Of course, for retailers selling used items fthat would not be possible, so they may have to try to find a responsible person that is not asking for all this information. I think this Estonian company that has been emailing many sellers on Ebay here already (EU Compliance Partner) handle this less strictly (and their fees are quite low as well).
The GPSRs state the responsible person/authorised representative must be employed via a written mandate from the manufacturer ("manufacturer" is as defined in the GPSR). As you pointed out yourself the retailer is not the manufacturer unless they meet the GPSR's definition of a manufacturer. Any company offering RP/AR services to a retailer should therefore be thoroughly researched before any contract is signed and/or any money being handed over. Further, even if they're legitimate I wouldn't touch that Estonian company with a (GPSR compliant) bargepole as they have engaged in highly unscrupulous marketing tactics such as spamming these boards and eBay business seller's email addresses. As their marketing tactics are wholly unethical I wouldn't trust their other business practices to be anything else either.
29-11-2024 5:19 PM - edited 29-11-2024 5:20 PM
@jeznorthbay wrote:I'm not sure what the point was of that reply, as it all leads back to my original point, which is that there is no way such shops & all the 100's of 1000's or similar small shops across the EU will be able or willing to follow these new rules
Can you provide an example of where they would need to follow the new rules? The only example I can think of is if they purchase an item from a third-country private seller - making them the deemed importer - then offering that item for sale themselves via an online marketplace such as eBay.
But such shops would typically be offering items sourced this way for sale in their physical B&M store. Whilst they would still be legally required to comply with the GPSR I doubt it is going to be policed anywhere except via online marketplaces (who are forced to police it) or during examinations of container imports by customs authorities.
29-11-2024 5:31 PM
I'm really not sure why you can't get the point I was making. I picked 'book shop' as an example but I'm referring to every small, independent shop in Europe, who will buy & stock items from other EU countries & elsewhere, & all the small businesses that also make things, from books to shoes etc. The rules have to be followed whether items are sold in a physical or online space &, again, my point is that given lots of protests in the EU have taken place over much smaller things, it seems odd that that hasn't happened with these new rules.
29-11-2024 6:07 PM
@jeznorthbay wrote:my point is that given lots of protests in the EU have taken place over much smaller things, it seems odd that that hasn't happened with these new rules.
Do you not think it odd that British businesses haven't exactly been vocal in their opposition to them? Other than online marketplace sellers hardly anybody is even aware of them - I suspect that is the case in the EU as well. As an example this is the only mention of them I can find on BBC News' website and it wasn't exactly a first-page news story - it was a regional Northern Ireland article.
I was also pointing out that EU-established businesses are going to be far less affected by these new rules than you seem to think they are compared to what third-country business sellers will be. Taking the shoe manufacturer you mentioned as an example they will be sourcing their leather from a tannery. If they're sourcing their leather from an EU-established tannery the tannery already has (EU) obligations regarding the traceability of their supply chain - they have no new requirements under the GPSR; especially as they don't supply consumers. The shoemaker will already have all the necessary testing and documentation in place to ensure their finished product meets whatever standards it is required to such as correct shoe size, durability, material composition etc. An EU-established retailer who purchases their stock from the shoemaker will therefore be able to obtain all the information they require from the shoemaker (the manufacturer) for the purposes of the GPSR so will be happy to purchase from them.
How did the GPSRs affect the shoemaker?
29-11-2024 6:52 PM
blimey, it seems your determined to miss the point. Pick any type of shop / seller. The new rules apply to every manufacturer, whether inside the EU or not & my point was that in the EU protests are much more common that they are here, but there haven't been any on this, so, given that we are not getting any official UK government guidance on the interpretation of the rules & their implementation, it might be that there are misunderstandings. For example the whole 'placed on offered to the market' thing could mean that only newly designed / released products are affected, or as some have said, it might mean newly built units of said products are also affected.
There's widespread discussion outside of ebay, in various forums within specific industries, but again, the one common point is that we're not hearing anything from the UK Government or from the EU clarifying the aspects that are open to interpretation.
30-11-2024 8:03 AM
Interpretation is so wide open, it may well be the case that this is being introduced the other way round, in that instead of everything requiring all fields filled on day one, the information will only be required as each new product is brought to market. Therefore, any item previously sold anywhere is not affected. So if xyzMegabucks Inc. bring a new coffee mug to market in January, it will have to be accompanied by user manual, manufacturer details and so on. But all previous coffee mugs will not require this including freshly manufactured mugs based on previous mugs already in/on the market.
If that is the intention, then it is nuts because why bother creating a new product and bringing it market? Innovation will be stifled and 'creative' and 'craft' items may be regarded as new to the market. How do you write a user guide and safety HAZOP for a new garden gnome character?
Next they'll be trying to regulate the curvature of bananas or something equally as stupid, lol!
30-11-2024 12:41 PM
Concerns me as well
For 6 months I have had inventory removed, the latest this week.
My gut feeling is using the 'supply the information or have the listing (s) removed' will be the course of action.
I've dipped in and out of this so apoligies if I missed the memo but it would be nice if sellers had clear guidance and understanding of what happens to sellers dont remove listings, could ease a lot of heart ache especially if people innocently take the wait and see approach
30-11-2024 12:45 PM
Could you let us know what category or type of item was fully delisted and whether you tried to fill in any GPSR details? It is also concerning listings are being removed a couple of weeks before they become 'illegal'. So far nothing I have listed has been removed and I have zero GPSR info for my items.
01-12-2024 10:59 AM
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01-12-2024 2:43 PM - edited 01-12-2024 2:45 PM
Another weekend, another lengthy call to eBay CS including a significant time on hold while they check things with specialist teams.
Let me preface this with some info about what I sell: I started out on ebay as a Trading Assistant and continued with a client base long after that scheme was shut down within ebay and get new clients purely on word of mouth. The vast majority of my stock is items I sell for other people and 90% of them are used/pre-loved/whatever. I am not like most of you, I am not even really a business. I'm just a bloke with full-time proper job and a back bedroom full of other people's stuff. But I play at being a proper business, I do my self-assessment and so on. The GSPR legislation was not written with sellers like me in mind. Nor would I expect it to be.
So, as per the latest call, now I am being told I can add a disclaimer for current and future listings saying the item is exempt as per Article 51 as being originally brought to market before 13/12/2024. I.e. when it was originally sold/manufactured, not when I put it on ebay.
I'm going to at least temporarily remove EU/NI on an account level a few days before the 13th to find out if and how eBay are policing this with bots that will obviously not see my disclaimer and just remove because the product disclosure section isnt complete. Then maybe after Xmas I'll consult with ebay again to see if my disclaimer really does hold weight. Loathe as I am to use "This is legal because I say it is" disclaimers.
It is shocking that with 2 weeks ro go there are no tools or alerts or anything to show which listings are or are not compliant. Nor are there any alerts when you list new items that they will be compliant or not. Nor is there any clear information from ebay whether non-compliant listings will be blocked from being listed or be allowed to be listed and then auto-removed. Long story short: how is anyone supposed to know if they've done it right?