30-01-2015 8:59 PM
Today we have been reminded that Winston Churchill led this country to stop us being taken over by foreigners who hated us.
While all of our recent 'leaders' have, without asking us, given away our country to foreigners who hate us.
30-01-2015 9:37 PM
30-01-2015 9:57 PM - edited 30-01-2015 9:57 PM
The poles rush here to live on minimum wage and save our industry ? Unlike the British ?
30-01-2015 10:00 PM
30-01-2015 10:03 PM
On the news today was a bit about an elderly man who had been beaten to smithereens by 4 young polish burglers. They really smashed up his face and the photo's were very upsetting to say the least. Turns out, they all had a string of convictions back in Poland - 32 between them. WHY ARE THEY ALLOWED TO COME HERE. If they had been refused entry, that poor man would not have had this awful trauma. Whats the betting they are allowed to stay when they get out of prison.
I wish they would let me run the country. You'd see a few changes !!!
30-01-2015 10:13 PM
30-01-2015 10:24 PM
where are the stories in poland of english burglars beating oaps that we have to acknowledge...show me please if I am to accept your idea it happens
30-01-2015 10:28 PM
@fallen-archie wrote:
That's what happens when parents bring up their kids with unrealistic expectations and zero work ethic.
What in the name of anything this biased sentence got to do with churchill,if you dont mind me asking ?
30-01-2015 10:30 PM
30-01-2015 11:14 PM
crooks will be crooks I agree ..so is this because ''their parents brought their workshy kids up like this''?
31-01-2015 9:55 AM
@023mjc wrote:On the news today was a bit about an elderly man who had been beaten to smithereens by 4 young polish burglers. They really smashed up his face and the photo's were very upsetting to say the least. Turns out, they all had a string of convictions back in Poland - 32 between them. WHY ARE THEY ALLOWED TO COME HERE. If they had been refused entry, that poor man would not have had this awful trauma. Whats the betting they are allowed to stay when they get out of prison.
I wish they would let me run the country. You'd see a few changes !!!
Of course there is good and bad in all. Unforetunatley particularly over the last 18 years, our leaders (starting with Blair) as the OP' says: ''without asking us, have given away our country''.
Yes, they say it was a good thing. It certainly was for jobs for the boys
Why was it considered a 'good thing' to have immigrants from EU countries? Is it because nearly all of them come from nations that have cultures fashioned some time in the last century, or for some even the last half century, by fascists/feudal governments and/or forces of occupation and that they will therefore find the increasing totalitarianism of the EU and it's poodles in Westminster more acceptable, far more than the obstreperous native Brits who with their history have an annoying habit of loving freedom from oppression and so, in time, as the proportions of newcomers rise, the population and its culture will be so much more amenable to the dictatorial feudal fourth European/ Frankish empire envisaged by our masters? Was that also perhaps why, unlike France and others, we had to sever our links with our kith and kin overseas as a prerequisite to joining the EEC/EU?
31-01-2015 2:06 PM
I have nothing against polish (or any other nationality) if they are good decent citizens. What I object to is thier criminal history not being checked, and all and sundry turning up. Yes there are native brits who are dishonest and violent too, which just upholds my opinion. We have enough thugs of our own without importing more.
If you watch crime watch on the telly when they are asking for help in finding thugs,rapists etc, it is very rare these days for the perpetrator to be a native brit, and it always turns out they have records in thier own country as well as here.. So many victims would have been safe if these people had been barred from Britain. What makes it worse is when they come out of prison they are allowed to stay because of thier human rights. They should have all rights revoked. If they want a family life the wife and kids can go back with them if they choose. I would rather have a wife and kids here on benefits, than have these animals in our country.
Would they let them into the USA or Australia?
31-01-2015 9:21 PM
@023mjc wrote:I have nothing against polish (or any other nationality) if they are good decent citizens. What I object to is thier criminal history not being checked, and all and sundry turning up. Yes there are native brits who are dishonest and violent too, which just upholds my opinion. We have enough thugs of our own without importing more.
If you watch crime watch on the telly when they are asking for help in finding thugs,rapists etc, it is very rare these days for the perpetrator to be a native brit, and it always turns out they have records in thier own country as well as here.. So many victims would have been safe if these people had been barred from Britain. What makes it worse is when they come out of prison they are allowed to stay because of thier human rights. They should have all rights revoked. If they want a family life the wife and kids can go back with them if they choose. I would rather have a wife and kids here on benefits, than have these animals in our country.
Would they let them into the USA or Australia?
I doubt anyone would disagree in principle with the idea of preventing anyone with a serious criminal record from entering the UK - the problem is how do you do it?
31-01-2015 9:30 PM - edited 31-01-2015 9:31 PM
I don't think thats the problem ..how do you stop it as you cant see the future..what should be done is the criminal should be deported immediatley for their own country folk to decide and then banned from all other countries
31-01-2015 9:33 PM
afterthought..that is realisticly workable and not at all that difficult with proper goverence.seeing the future however...
31-01-2015 10:47 PM
I don't think Winston Churchill would stand for criminals getting in to the country illegally then being allowed to claim assylum, "human rights" or anything else.
The moment you have Laws which give people a way to exploit "the system", it's going to be exploited. Witness the high profile cases of those who used every way possible to stay here before we finally got them out of the country.
The Law needs changing so that no matter what the circumstances, if you've either entered the country illegally, entered the country with false documents or with false information (like failing to disclose criminal convictions) you will be deported immediately to your country of origin without argument.
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
31-01-2015 11:30 PM
or even if you are here legally and commit a crime (either against an individual) or against a community...or at very least in the second scenario let the community crimed against decide.
It really is a beyond nonsense set up having an office that knows nothing decide what's best...human rights is a very very good thing (should not be needed) but when used against the honest to support the dishonest,a day is too long to put up with it.
31-01-2015 11:46 PM
@cee-dee wrote:I don't think Winston Churchill would stand for criminals getting in to the country illegally then being allowed to claim assylum, "human rights" or anything else.
The moment you have Laws which give people a way to exploit "the system", it's going to be exploited. Witness the high profile cases of those who used every way possible to stay here before we finally got them out of the country.
The Law needs changing so that no matter what the circumstances, if you've either entered the country illegally, entered the country with false documents or with false information (like failing to disclose criminal convictions) you will be deported immediately to your country of origin without argument.
I'm not sure about the 'false documents' case - my memory might be failing but I seem to remember a number of genuine asylum seekers, (during the period of apartheid in South Africa and also during the Cold War), using false documents to gain access to the UK.
31-01-2015 11:50 PM
Would they have been permitted entry by "legal" means? If so, why enter illegally?
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
01-02-2015 12:08 AM
@cee-dee wrote:Would they have been permitted entry by "legal" means? If so, why enter illegally?
They needed false documents to escape from their homeland and used these same documents to enter the UK - if you were escaping detention, as some SA journalists were if I rightly recall, would you risk being returned as soon as you left the aircraft by revealing your documents were false?
I'm also sure that you are correct that Winston Churchill would have taken a tough stance on this subject, especially when you consider his shameful complicity over the forced repatriation of the Cossacks and the Russian slave workers who had been forced to work for Germany at the end of WWII.