26-04-2013 9:23 AM
Richard Dart, a white Muslim convert who hates us so much he wanted to kill us, and might have done if him and his two mates had not been twigged!!! He refused to go in the dock too,(first I've heard of that one) quite a hero Richard?! That will impress your mates Richard. I wonder what you are expecting from us now? To be kept for the rest of your life perhaps? I should think that's highly likely. You, and any terrorist no matter what faith or belief should get a whole life sentence on hard labour. But you, and others knew that would never happen, and that our laws would release you and other uncontrollable MONSTERS out on us.
There are 617 comments on this topic, on the Mail on line.
26-04-2013 10:19 AM
Only got 6 years................................................ 'Only Allah can judge me': Muslim convert Richard Dart refuses to stand in dock as he is sentenced to six years in prison for terrorism offencesDart and two other British Islamic extremists jailed at the Old Bailey
Ex-PCSO Jahangir Alom and Imran Mahmood given four and nine yearsThey all admitted engaging in conduct in preparation of terrorismDart and Alom travelled to Pakistan to get terrorist training
Conversations reveal targets were Wootton Bassett and secret servicesJudge brands them 'committed fundamentalists' who would have been prepared to killDart's extremist beliefs were revealed in a BBC documentary in 2011
A white Muslim convert who plotted to attack soldiers in Royal Wootton Bassett was jailed for six years yesterday.
Richard Dart, 30, the son of teachers, was arrested as he tried to leave for terrorist training in Pakistan.
The former BBC security guard refused to stand for his sentencing at the Old Bailey, telling Mr Justice Simon: ‘Judgment is only for Allah.’
Middle-class Dart was converted to Islam by hate preacher Anjem Choudary, who also inspired a plot to attack the London Stock Exchange.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2314594/Muslim-convert-Richard-Dart-refuses-stand-dock-sente...
26-04-2013 3:37 PM
He refused to go in the dock too,(first I've heard of that one)
Was a regular occurrence in IRA trials where prisoners refused to accept the jurisdiction of British Courts - and hundreds of IRA prisoners were released under the terms of the Good Friday Agreement.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/nov/10/northernireland.northernireland1
26-04-2013 8:04 PM
He refused to go in the dock too,(first I've heard of that one)
Was a regular occurrence in IRA trials where prisoners refused to accept the jurisdiction of British Courts - and hundreds of IRA prisoners were released under the terms of the Good Friday Agreement.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/nov/10/northernireland.northernireland1
😄 It was the first that I have heard of that one. Others may not have heard of it too. And two wrongs do not make a right.
Thank you Tommy.
And like I said there are 617 comments on this topic on the Mail on Line. And despite 77 views only one reply on here, well one actual comment which I might have expected ;-).
Well that's alright he is only trying to be helpful really :-D. Perhaps some thoughts on Dart might come later?
26-04-2013 8:32 PM
well one actual comment which I might have expected .
I think we all expect a comment from certain people when there is an opportunity to discredit a certain religion - 😉
26-04-2013 8:50 PM
well one actual comment which I might have expected
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I think we all expect a comment from certain people when there is an opportunity to discredit a certain religion - 😉
😄 'Any terrorist no matter what faith or belief'. Read OP' again ;-).
We all ?!!! No one in particular then ;-).
26-04-2013 9:09 PM
A good article on radicalisation below. Unfortunately, the analysis goes a bit beyond photographs of scary men on the Daily Mail's website.
Helping Terrorists Terrorize: How Our Overwrought Reaction Fosters Radicalization
"Americans refuse to be terrorized," declared President Barack Obama in the aftermath of the Boston marathon bombings, "Ultimately, that's what we'll remember from this week." Believe that, and I've got some great beach property in Arizona to sell you.
The Boston bombings have provoked the most intense display of law enforcement and media coverage since 9/11. Greater Boston was in full lockdown: "a ghost town," "a city in terror," "a war zone," screamed the headlines. Public transit was stopped, a no-fly zone proclaimed, people told to stay indoors, schools and universities closed, and hundreds of FBI agents pulled from other pressing investigations to exclusively focus on the case -- along with thousands upon thousands of other federal, state, and city agents equipped with heavy weapons and armored vehicles. It all came close to martial law, with all the tools of the security state mobilized to track down a pair of young immigrants with low-tech explosives and small arms who failed to reconcile their problems of identity and became amateur terrorists.
Not that the events weren't shocking and brutal. But this, of course, is part of the overall U.S. reaction to terrorism since 9/11, where perhaps never in history have so few, armed with so few means, caused so much fear in so many. Indeed, as with the anarchists a century ago, it is precisely the outsized reaction that sponsors of terrorism have always counted on in order to terrorize.
There is nothing to compare to the grief of parents whose child has been murdered like 8-year-old Martin Richard, except perhaps for the collective grief of many parents, as for the 20 children killed at Newtown. Yet, despite the fact that the probability of a child, or anyone else in our country, being killed by a terrorist bomb is vastly smaller than being killed by an unregistered handgun -- or even being slain by a lawnmower or an unregulated fertilizer plant -- our politicians and the public seem likely to continue uncritically to support the extravagant measures associated with an irrational policy of "zero-tolerance" for terrorism, as opposed to much more-than-zero tolerance for nearly all other threats of violence. But given the estimated $300 million the Boston bombing has already cost, and the trillions that the national response to terrorism has cost in little more than a decade, the public deserves a more reasoned response. We can never, ever be absolutely safe, no matter how much treasure we spend or how many civil liberties we sacrifice.
Especially for young men, mortal combat with a "band of brothers" in the service of a great cause provides the ultimate adventure and maximum esteem in the eyes of many and, most dearly, in the hearts of their peers. For many disaffected souls in today's world, jihad is a heroic cause that holds the promise that anyone from anywhere can make a mark against the most powerful country in the history of the world. But because would-be jihadis best thrive and act in mostly small, self-organizing groups within networks of family and friends -- not in large movements or armies -- their threat can only match their ambitions if fueled way beyond actual strength by publicity. Today, whereas most nations tend to avoid publicizing their more wanton killings -- including civilian killings that might be labeled "state terrorism" (from ethnic cleansings to "collateral" deaths from drones) -- publicity is the oxygen that fires modern terrorism.
It is not by arraying "every element of our national power" against would-be jihadis and those who inspire them that violent extremism will be stopped, as President Obama once declared. Although wide-ranging intelligence, good police work and security preparedness (including military and law enforcement defense) is required to track and thwart the expansion of Al Qaeda affiliates into the Arabian peninsula, Syria (and perhaps Jordan), North Africa and East Africa, this is insufficient. Findings from research on "copycat suicide" (where the strongest indicator of the copycat effect is how much media coverage a suicide receives) clearly suggest that media restraint can reduce terrorist contagion. Indeed, as Columbia University epidemiologist Madelyn Gould noted: "We wouldn't have a billion-dollar advertising market in this country (the US) if people didn't think you could influence someone else's behavior."
The real rub stems from the broader problem of collective action: it is for our common good to deny terrorists media exposure, but each media outlet in a competitive and unregulated market is tempted to break the compact by trumpeting the news. The late Nobel Prize-winning political scientist Elinor Ostrom spent the better part of her life trying to tackle the issue of how to better regulate "the commons" ("public goods," whether water and forests or information and media space). Poring over thousands of cases worldwide, she found local self-regulation to be the most efficient and enduring way to prevent overuse and abuse of the commons, and central government control to be the most problematic.
There are successful examples of media self-restraint from the past. In 1982, killings from cyanide-laced Tylenol in Chicago area stores were followed by myriad tamperings that were breathlessly covered by the media until public authorities and the media realized that this coverage was spawning more tamperings. The Department of Justice worked with the news media to tamp down the coverage and, mirabile dictu, the tamperings tapered. Of course, the news media back then was remarkably homogeneous compared to today, and it is undoubtedly easier to keep tamperings quiet compared to bombings in public places. But the principle remains the same.
We can break the real, if unplanned, alliance between terrorism and the media through better reporting for the social good, which may prove to be the best business strategy of all (people like business best that helps them and others find happiness, not fear). It's going to be a hard slog, I know: many men and women at senior levels of the government, military, intelligence and law enforcement understand that overwrought reaction to terrorism helps terrorists radicalize and terrorize, but the powerful if maladjusted relationship between the political establishment and media business drastically subordinates reason to sensation. (A senior FBI official once told me in a meeting at the British Parliament that "If I advocated anything less than zero tolerance for terrorism, they'd have me hanging from my balls from the dome of Congress"). Yet, if we can learn to practice restraint, and show the resilience of people just carrying on with their lives even in the face of atrocities like Boston, then terrorism will fail.
27-04-2013 12:34 AM
#6 'Unfortunately? The analysis goes a bit beyond photographs of scary men on the Daily Mail's website' Only scary men?
Well yes. There are different types of scary men. You have some Qutb-inspired Muslamics who propagandise contempt for Westerners - usually radicalised by narrowcasting internet news of drone strikes, Iraq war crimes etc - and some go further by advocating or committing violence. Be it Ayatollah Khomeini, Anjem Choudary or Richard Reid.
And on the other hand you have some Strauss-inspired Neo-Conservative Christians who propagandize contempt for Commies and Muslamics - usually radicalised by narrowcasting internet news of "Muslamic plots", gutter press articles etc - and some go further by advocating or committing violence. Be it George W Bush, Anders Breivik or Tommy Robinson.
They ideologically feed off each other.
This documentary is 10 years old now, but is still relevant imo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3srA_If5vxM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUMbX3trF5c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGvZ2sMdx_Y