So a Democratic government is overthrown , will the US impose sanctions ?

[al**bear]

So the Democratic Government of Egypt has been overthrown in a Military Coup

So will the US follow it'sa own Laws and cut off ALL Aid ?

Well you see they didn't like that Democratic government, so they'd cut aid after elections.

Along with most of the West, it's a REAL Democratic Government, ONLY when you agree with the winner.

And of course one of the biggest US Allies in the Area is The Egyptian military, it is the US that keeps them funded.

So just like Gaza, when Hamas won the Elections, the US worked against that Egyptian Government by cutting aid.

Seems - All Democracies are equal, but some are more Equal than others in the Wests Eyes.

At the same time European Countries make a Diplomatic Presidents Plane land, so it can be checked to see if a US whistle blower was on Board.

International Law is now a joke, New World Order anyone ?

All over the World people are rising, against Capitalist controlled, Governments, markets & economies, that are forcing austerity on their populace.

Spain, Portugal, Greece, Brazil etc etc, now if those People topple a Government, you'll see the US & Europe, saying and doing the exact opposite to what is going to happen with Egypt

[sir_arthur_strebe-grebling]

It's a pity the Army didn't take over here when Blair and Brown went against their election manifesto and imported millions of foreigners who hate Britain, and borrowed hundreds of billions of pounds to pay for their vanity projects and to buy votes.

[joe_bloggs*]

"Along with most of the West, it's a REAL Democratic Government, ONLY when you agree with the winner"

Same thing happening in Syria,not many people agree with Assad's policies,but not long ago the "rebels" were gaining ground from the army,now recently the army has started to get the upper hand,all of a sudden after 2 years Hague and the rest say "we cannot sit on our hands and do nothing"

and stories of poisonous gas start to emerge,  WMD anyone?

  The wests idea that supplying more weapons will end the war is totally absurd

[cee-dee]

There are several points of issue.

The supplying of weapons is often nothing to do with the issue at hand, it's the thought of possible weapons sales when "it's all over".

As to democracy, the "election" was a marginal affair with questions about it's legitimacy.

The completely biased events following the "election" was clearly wrong and weighted against a huge section of the population.

I think the best way of dealing with countries in conflict is to "seal" the borders and let them fight it out. We should keep our noses out because after a "political settlement", they often (usually?) turn round and bite the hands that fed them and they want more, more, more to feed the corruption that follows.

[Anonymous]

well I just wonder how far into the future it will be before every country has to ask the US if its ok to do anything, and I dare say sir A, the same could be said of the condem's.

[joe_bloggs*]

Not very often i would agree with any statements ukip make,but i think MEP Paul Nuttall's article is quite good and worth reading:

http://www.publicserviceeurope.com/article/3677/with-syria-cameron-is-following-blairs-folly-in-iraq#comment

[renomarvinm]

Ahem!  Speaking from the bottom of the heap over here, representing myself as a typical unknowing American, clued in only by television, news blurbs, and the massive gobs of vomit and pablum issued by the White House, I can only quote Sergeant Schultz  -  I know NOTHING!

But, seriously, back when we had a Republican right wing "hawk" administration in power, it was easier to predict what would happen - not particularly easy, understand, just easier than it is now.

Our current left wing administration tends to float, drifting with the breezes, or something.  It's not that they're particularly "bad," or anything like that - it's just that their foreign policy (whatever it is) is decidedly unfocused.

The current administration reminds me of the Italians' pre-WW2 attempts at creating fascism.   They, the fascists, didn't really know what their own credo was (whatever it was) so they tried to bluff their way through,by creating it as they went along.  Even at the end, I don't think any of them really ever knew what their true political philosophy was.  Consuming grappa will do this to you...

[al**bear]

Hi Reno

Don't think it matters who's in power of the White House or Capitol.

Those in charge of the NSA, CIA and other faceless agencies, control US foreign policies.

When we rant about the US it's usually about these People and US foreign policies.

Apart from Policemen who shoot peoples dogs X-(

[lhasa.two]

reno, I don't think the Italians have changed much...Now it's all 'bunga bunga' parties with Bellasconi but he's about to be hauled off to prison...  :^O

I think I may have missed something?

I don't recall either Hague or Cameron saying they would supply arms to the Syrian rebels as I thought they were well aware of the influx of fundamentalists...

Anyway back to Egypt. 

The military has always been close to its leaders. Anwar Sadat was murdered by a fundamentalist and the Brotherhood are regarded as on the edge of fundamentalism and were more than likely behind his death (because he organised the peace process between Egypt and Israel) so yet again I'm afraid the Americans naivety shows up again if they did support the Brotherhood in the first election.

The last thing Egypt needs is to move further towards fundamentalism so I just don't understand why the Americans, with all their "intelligence" just don't get "it".

Anyone who thinks the voting process was democratic has got it wrong as Egypt is nowhere near a democracy, yet. Gen al-Sisi, did a clever thing I think by ousting Morsi and VERY quickly putting JUDGE Mansour in as interim president, so I don't really see it as a coup in the traditional sense as he doesn't want the military running the country. He's seen what is happening in Syria and doesn't want to go down that road... makes pragmatic sense to me.

Hopefully they will hold new elections soon and Al Baradei and his new party (Nobel Peace prize winner) will become President.  

[al**bear]

So one of the first actions by the 'temporary' military controlled State, was to close the border into Gaza

what a surprise - NOT

[cee-dee]

Is it any wonder they closed that border?

All those people seem to think about is causing trouble outside their own territory.

If they put as much effort in to working and helping themselves as they do in troublemaking they might get somewhere.

[probert_encyclopaedia]

When Austria democratically elected a right-wing government, the EU responded with sanctions insisting that the Austrian people chose again!

Democracy? It's the best political system money can buy.

Matt

[lhasa.two]

So one of the first actions by the 'temporary' military controlled State, was to close the border into Gaza

what a surprise - NOT

I'm glad you're not surprised al, because that's the whole point about Egypt and the US. They are allies when it comes to protecting Israel so it's not surprising they closed the border with Gaza. They probably closed the borders with Libya and Sudan too... It's an internal problem so they won't want outsiders coming in and causing more problems... 

[renomarvinm]

Interesting comments!  al**bear is undoubtedly correct about the various covert agencies running things, or at least having an enormous influence on policy and events.  It would not surprise me at all.  (Ah, excuse me, there are three guys working on my TV aerial even as we speak, and there's a guy in a truck across the street pointing a camera at me - ah, never mind...:^O

As far as lhasa.one's comments go, it's hard to understand what our government is doing, no matter which party is in charge.  But the problems go deeper than that.  Does anyone out there honestly believe that george bush, jr. could have effectively functioned as the CEO of General Motors, or British Petroleum?  Or any other huge conglomorate organization, for that matter???  As if BP doesn't have enough troubles already, but putting george in charge of BP would be fun to watch - ultimately catastrophic, certainly, but fun to watch.  Please forgive me - I have a vile sense of humor.

I think our parties, when searching for presidential candidates, look for nice hair styling, a good voice, and a suit, and nothing else.  It's like picking our presidential timber from game show hosts.  But that's not fair to game show hosts, really.  They know how to think on their feet!

[al**bear]

Reno our Security services are involved as well

They were up to their necks in the Libyan 'revolution' and look how thats turned out, another Country on the brink of civil war and will soon fall into the hands of the militants.

The Egyptians could have stopped, fighters and weapons coming from Gaza, without stopping supplies entering the territory

We now have States of civil war along the Southern Med coast and stretching to the Iranian & Turkish (another shaky State) borders

Civil strife keeps erupting in the Gulf states, an area the US & Europe don't seem to be pushing for Democracy, I wonder why.

[renomarvinm]

Hi Al!!!  There's more than a subtle hint in the fact that knowledgeable Washington insiders refer to our hallowed State Department as "Foggy Bottom." Lately (meaning the last several administrations) our foreign policy has resembled the sad efforts of a dislexic wino who happens to suffer from massive grand mal seizures, memory loss, jake-itis (a hitch in the "git-along" caused by drinking too much sterno), the delerium tremmins, the creeping crud, and a flat-out case of job's berry rot.  Other than THAT, there is certainly nothing wrong at all with our foreign policy, and I want you to firmly understand that.  In fact, I will be the FIRST to defend it under this definition.  After all, I'm just trying to help here.....  (Oh, lord, where's my whisky!)

However, if I were President, I would "get serious" about the current situation, and send FEMA to the Middle East....  Pause while catastrophe ensues.....