06-01-2019 10:42 AM
Just reading and watching the news about all these stabbings made me wonder where all the knives used in those offences come from? Are they all "kitchen knives" or "steak knives"?? Ebay is full of them!
Carrying a "knife" is an offence isn't it? However, what constitutes a "knife" as an offensive weapon? Didn't it used to be a knife with a blade more than four inches long?
For years I've carried a "pocket knife", like a pen-knife with a folding blade less than two and a half inches long that doesn't "lock" but I suppose that could be construed as an "offensive weapon" if used "offensively"? My current one is one made by Victorinox (Makers of the famous "Swiss Army Knife") I think it was called "waiter" because as well as the long blade, it has a bottle opener and corkscrew (plus toothpick and tweezers)!
Other than knives as mentioned surely any other type is "offensive" and shouldn't be available on sale? The so-called "hunting knife" surely has no other use than an offensive intent as really, how many people actually "go hunting"?
Over to you folks for comments?
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
06-01-2019 11:01 AM
*visions of CD shaping his eyebrows nicely*
06-01-2019 11:12 AM
You want one too? Here you go:-
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
06-01-2019 11:16 AM
Surely any knife could be used as an offensive weapon if the intention is there.
The question is what can be done about the high levels of knife and other violent crime.
06-01-2019 11:57 AM - edited 06-01-2019 11:57 AM
I think the answer to the question is here:-
https://www.inbrief.co.uk/offences/offensive-weapon-possessing/
Google is your friend 😉
06-01-2019 12:10 PM
Not always. It depends where you look. Try this extract from a uk.gov site:-
Section 1 of the Prevention of Crime Act 1953 and section 139 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988 respectively provide for offences of having an offensive weapon in a public place without lawful authority or reasonable excuse and having an article with blade or sharply pointed in a public place without lawful authority or good reason. Section 139A of the Criminal Justice Act 1988 provides that it an offence to have an article within either of the above offences on school premises.
Sections 139 and 139A of the Criminal Justice Act 1988 apply to any article which has a blade or point except a folding pocketknife unless the cutting edge of its blade exceeds 7.62 centimetres (3 inches).
Section 1 of the Prevention of Crime Act 1953 provides that an offensive weapon is any article made or adapted for use for causing injury to the person, or intended by the person having it with him for such use by him or by some other person.
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
06-01-2019 12:15 PM
Nothing there that is different than the site I linked to ???
06-01-2019 12:18 PM - edited 06-01-2019 12:19 PM
So the three categories are:-
An item made to harm - i.e. no innocent purpose
An item that has been adapted to cause injury
An item that could cause injury and is being carried for neither an innocent nor lawful purpose
06-01-2019 12:48 PM
06-01-2019 1:19 PM
They should bring back capital punishment asap, and show in schools graphic details of what capital punishment means. The low life scumbag who took the life of that poor decent man on the train , if convicted and sentenced, will have a nice life in jail, with every comfort he requires, courtesy of all you lovely tax payers on here. As for the carrying of knives..all should be prohibited, irrespective of blade length, and a lengthy jail sentence should be mandatory for anyone found carrying one. Before this country went soft, most men carried a small knife for various purposes, but in those days, if it was used to kill someone then the result was a short length of rope.
We have a broken society...sad times.
06-01-2019 1:49 PM
astro, so you are advocating a lengthy jail sentence for someone like myself who carrys a small folding pocket knife to cut nylon banding on some deliveries where a forklift is not available and the load needs handballed off ?
06-01-2019 2:36 PM
"They should bring back capital punishment asap"
Absolutely not and just one argument is the Birmingham pub bombings.
06-01-2019 2:48 PM
And we know capital punishment is not a deterrent.
06-01-2019 3:00 PM
It stops them "doing it again" though.
So what punishment are you proposing instead?
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
06-01-2019 3:03 PM
I appreciate that some people, like yourself, need to have some sort of tool handy to cut things in their line of work, but could your employers not provide something that would do the job, but not be used to stab people? It's just not practical to say 'you can carry a knife' to some people..but you can't ' to others. My OH carries a small knife for use when he's at his allotment, but if it was made unlawful then there would be nothing stopping him leaving it at his shed and not carrying it around. There is no easy answer.
06-01-2019 3:10 PM
I know there are some folks here that are totally against capital punishment....we have had that discussion before! The poor chap who was murdered on the train.....I wonder what his wife and son think? If it were me, I would want them to pay the ultimate price....as CeeDee says, they can never do it again. In my view...if you take a life, then you forfeit your own.
06-01-2019 3:14 PM
The law as it stands regarding pocket knives and knives used as part of a job allow for carrying those BUT.... just how many stabbings have been carried out by using such knives? Any?
Thinking about a deterrant instead of capital punishment I think creaky had in mind sending them for a months stay in Skegness?
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
06-01-2019 4:37 PM
@cee-dee wrote:The law as it stands regarding pocket knives and knives used as part of a job allow for carrying those BUT.... just how many stabbings have been carried out by using such knives? Any?
Thinking about a deterrant instead of capital punishment I think creaky had in mind sending them for a months stay in Skegness?
That would be classified as a cruel and unusual punishment!
06-01-2019 4:40 PM - edited 06-01-2019 4:44 PM
@astrologica wrote:I know there are some folks here that are totally against capital punishment....we have had that discussion before! The poor chap who was murdered on the train.....I wonder what his wife and son think? If it were me, I would want them to pay the ultimate price....as CeeDee says, they can never do it again. In my view...if you take a life, then you forfeit your own.
That is a totally different argument to the one that the death penalty is a deterrent.
The wish for revenge is a powerful emotion and has no place in a justice system.
Imagine you were wrongly convicted for murder and sentenced to death - sometime after your execution the real murderer is discovered - who would the justice system take revenge against? - The judge,the juror,the police?
06-01-2019 4:50 PM
We have had endless discussions on this subject before Creeky...all I can say is that in my view, where there is irrefutable and absolute evidence of guilt, we should be able to have Capital punishment. Just my view...obviously you have a different one.