More empty kettles?

[cee-dee]

I expect many people will have seen the scenes of those disrupting a live news interview with Anna Soubry? The main empty kettle, James Goddard has been arrested and during his arrest, shouting can be heard "Well done James, the whole country is with you". Oh really? Well I for one AM NOT.

So, how about the folks on here? Are you "with" him or not?

Have a look at the video of the arrest?

https://news.sky.com/story/man-arrested-over-alleged-incident-involving-anna-soubry-mp-11605457

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I am not with him, but ...

I do think those politicians who have been banging on about another referendum since the day after the last one (a group which includes Ms Soubry) have done untold damage to the concept of democracy and societal cohesion.  And I do think the BBC borders on the provocative by insisting on carrying out interviews with these politicians in what is effectively a public place.

[cee-dee]

Things done within the Law in a public place are therefore Lawful and should not be subjected to harrassment such as witnessed in the interview with Anna Soubry.

I don't agree with her point of view but an interview with a reporter out in the street should be allowed to continue without interruption to the point where it can't continue.

The public place in question is where politicians of all parties are liable to be "spotted" and if they're willing to face a reporter they should be allowed to get on with it without being harangued by a vociferous mob.

Would you be happy if an interview with a leaver was disrupted by remainers in the same way?

[upthecreekyetagain]

I have no problem with demonstrators showing their ‘distaste’ for the opinions of politicians who have chosen to go out into a public place in order to air their own views - why should what a politician wants to say take precedence over what a demonstrator wants to be heard.  If both the interviewer and interviewee want to have an uninterrupted discussion then don’t go out to a public square where demonstrators are known to congregate and climb up a scaffold tower where they can be seen by all and sundry.

What I found distasteful and is a step too far in my opinion was the haranguing of Anna Soubry on her way back to Parliament - there is no excuse for this and must have been quite disturbing for her and had to fulfil the definition of “anxiety and distress” included in the Public Order Act.

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But there would be no opportunity for disruption if the interviews were done in a room somewhere.  There is just no need, day after day after day, to stand out there.  The BBC is, frankly, enjoying all the fracas created.  

We were asked a question.  We gave an answer.  At that point, both politicians and the media should have got behind it.  I lost all respect for David Dimbleby the day after.  He conducted an entire morning’s programme as though at a funeral.  He may not have liked the result, but that is not the point.  He presumably used his one vote like the rest of us and that is that.  It was a disgrace ... and the beginning of this whole carry-on.  

Because of what hat has been allowed to happen, with biased media and self-interested politicians, it will never be over.  Whether we leave or stay, the “other side” will always believe they can overturn what has happened.  Nightmare!

Personally, I don’t care much if we are in or out.  I do care that from now on no decision will ever be considered definitively made. 

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Oops, sorry, Creeky.  You weren’t there when I started typing.   

[cee-dee]

Two different things there. The referendum vote should be honoured, that's pretty clear and I voted LEAVE.

But a reporter calls out to politicians many times and many times the politician declines to either be interviewed or answer a shouted question. Is it any wonder when uninvited people seek to disrupt the proceedings?

Were you having a discussion in the street, would you welcome other uninvited people joining in or, when they're ignored trying to shout you down?

[upthecreekyetagain]

No I wouldn’t appreciate it but equally I wouldn’t try to continue, I’d just move on.  If I was then mobbed and shouted at and surrounded in a threatening manner I would expect the police to step in.

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If you set out to conduct an interview in an open space where there are dozens of flag-waving, chanting protesters, you are likely to get some peripheral noise on your recording.

[geosacha007]

There are hypocritical double standards being applied.  Compare the hoo ha over this with the total media silence over the Lewisham by election hustings. These were shut down by SUTR and left wing protestors who verbally and physically intimidated anyone trying to go in. The message seems to be left wing protestors are allowed to harrass people but right wing protesters are not, even in a much less threatening way.

[astrologica]

This Brexit debacle has become a very nasty state of affairs, and I too think that it was a ridiculous idea to conduct media interviews on the open green outside Parliament. The BBC can barely hide its contempt for anyone who wants to leave the EU. The way Ms Soubry was hassled and jostled on her way back inside was disgraceful, and should never have been allowed.

But..to loudly complain because someone used the word Nazi..she should have been able to shrug that off. I, and others on here, who have supported the Leave campaign, have been referred to as Racists, Bigots, Zenophobes, Little Englanders, Thick, Stupid, Pearl clutchers...and yes, even the ultimate insult...Daily Mail readers...by the undemocratic Remain brigade. Both sides have been guilty of nastiness...it has become par for the course.

[cee-dee]

People seem happy enough when any interview in a public place isn't as contentious as brexit?

Was the interview planned to be there? If so, yes, that was most unwise but completely Lawful but if she was just called out by the reporters, she had the choice like all the other politicians likewise accosted to either decline and keep walking or do what she did, talk.

I don't think those people did the leave campaign any good by doing that and most leavers would surely have cringed to see it?

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Well, indeed!  It could all be a Remain conspiracy to make Leavers look bad. 😉

Every singke iota of this delimma has been created by MPs and the media.  Shifting the blame onto us is easy, but dishonest. 

[cee-dee]

I agree that the MPs and the media have blown the issue up out of all proportion but there's a few other factions at work.

There's the group of backstabbers in both main parties jostling for position with an eye on the respective leaderships, there's also the Labour Left and Conservative rRight who're also angling for a bigger say in their respective viewpoints.

The real issue (leaving the EU which was voted for) is being sidelined while the infighting goes on.

Those opposed to leaving claiming "the deal" is no good have lost sight of the fact that the EU has said repeatedly that the existing "deal" is IT, there's no more negotiating.

If you're trying to buy something and the seller says (for instance) "It's a hundred quid, take it or leave it", it's no use trying to get it for eighty quid. The seller says "No" so that's it when he says "Pay up or shut up".

[al**bear]

SNPs Wee Nippys faux outrage over this, is downright sick

You want to see Political Trolls and thugs, come visit Scotland

The things She is moaning about over the 'Soubry' ambush, are identical to Her parties thugs, who have carried out similar attacks on many many Political opponents for at least 5 years

An example Piers Doughty-Brown, a Rabid NAT who made it His mission to disrupt as many meetings, talks or walkabouts by anyone who was not supporting Independence. That still dosen't stop Him being pals with loads of NAT Politicians and Officials Loads of pics of Him with leading SNP Politicians, even at Official SNP events

And thats not even taking in, this bunch of disruptive Indy Loons

[celticthebhoys585]

Get away wae yirsel Al and don't talk mince. 

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The BBC News24 bloke has been moaning all day about the bell being sounded by protestors outside Parliament today.  Well, don’t stand there then.  Move inside.

Not sure which side the protestors are on, though given the BBC is moaning, probably Leave.  Bob Geldof’s eloquent phrase “the clanging chimes of doom” springs to mind.

[cee-dee]

I only saw a bit of the news at dinner time and that clanging bell was sooooo irritating I muted the sound until the news moved on!

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As an ex-campanologist, obviously I would have preferred a peal of 8 bells.  My point really is the BBC is not obligated to stand out there endlessly. 

[cee-dee]

Well I've never rung a bell but I've been amongst them many, many times. Loads of dead pigeons and pigeon eggs not to mention the muck if the louvres were not wired properly!

Perhaps they weren't obliged to stay there but what an irritating row for all those in the area?