07-05-2013 8:17 AM
Now Jimmy Tarbuck's been arrested on "sex charges" :_|
"WHEN IS ALL THIS CRAP GOING TO END",????????
Its gettin worse, and worse, IF your a celebrity, your a sex offender, or so it would seem. X-(
07-05-2013 8:46 AM
Seems as though no celeb is safe.
Its getting ridiculous.
How many who say theyve been assaulted ae doing it for the money they may get in comprnsation.
07-05-2013 10:58 AM
Have to say I share your sentiments, Jimbo
Rolf Harris was a complete shock but now Tarby - what is going on 😞
07-05-2013 11:28 AM
Is it people after compensation money?
Always seem to pick on the older ones in their 70s or 80s
With the internet, it is easy to find out where a celeb was on a date around 30ish years ago
07-05-2013 12:54 PM
I think the problem in many, although by no means all, of these cases is what people got away with or was considered a minor issue then, is being rehashed with today's values.
Certainly under-aged sexual activity was a burgeoning past-time in the 60s onwards, and many 14 and 15 year old girls went out of their way to 'do it' and were very inventive in proving they were old enough.
So the waters were very muddy. Even Max Clifford said many months ago that when this all stared to hit, he had aged rock stars contacting him really concerned because, as they said, they were probably stoned out of their minds during those decades and had no idea where they were, let alone what they did.
I think these current exposures are all old cases that were investigated but not proceeded with - so all the skeletons are actively being dug out of the crypts and reviewed.
As has been shown with Stuart Hall, by making it public it seems the police are hoping more will come forward who will prove to be reliable witnesses and then the cracks appear and they get a result.
In some cases though, these investigations will show nothing more than they did when they were first investigated and dropped.
I do think that some of these are really bad to be dragged out again because we have a different view now than when they happened. When or where does it all stop?
It is too easy to hit the celebrities, but in theory all those who made claims of physical sexual harassment in the workplace, for example in the past and were dismissed as 'hysterical women', could come forward and by rights should have their cases reviewed!
The worst one that went under the radar thank goodness was the woman who got her page of publicity by 'exposing' John Peel, and this is a classic case of when things should be kicked out of the park.
She was under-aged (15) and he bonked her - some time in the 70's if I remember correctly. That appears to be the fact. However, what she then went on to say was [quote] "He must have known I was under-aged".
Well, why must he have known??? She obviously by her own absence of admission, failed to tell him and that was a deliberate act on her part. Why was she even hanging around like a groupie, waiting for the action, at that age?? Was she obviously a young 15 year old or was she, as so many at that time, plastered up to the nines to look 5 years older?
Where were her parents? Either thought she was able to take care of herself or more likely at that time, thought she was somewhere else entirely - so not someone to be trusted with the truth.
Some things are bad - no matter when they happened. Some things are the state of society then and it is not right that we put today's standards born out of our current problems with society onto those of a different time in the past.
07-05-2013 1:22 PM
I don't know what others think but I think there should be a cut-off time. Where to set it, I don't know but waiting 30 or 40 years to complain just doesn't seem the thing to do if it was distressing or upsetting?
A totally unconnected attack has been recently reported involving a 12 year old girl. hidden away in the news report it happened in March. Why on Earth wasn't it reported at the time? Evidence will have been lost and people who might have seen anything at the time are less likely to remember seeing the offender before or after the incident.
How can happenings of 30 or 40 years ago be corroborated now? In some cases I think the presecution are trying to see if they can get an admission from the accused because I can't see how simple verbal "evidence" is enough to convict someone after all that time if it went to Court?
It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.
07-05-2013 1:25 PM
I think the ma'am in charge of the constabulary has been fiddled with by a celeb and vengeance is hers.
07-05-2013 2:34 PM
why is there no Joe Bloggs arrested..is it because they are not famous and skint..When the flower people were around everyone slept with everone ..it was called Free love..15 yearold dressed up to look like 20 yearold and they still do it..go to any bar on a saturday night and see the dressed up school kids drinking.. a16 yearold sleeping with a 13 yearold is not news now..look at Jemery Kyle show they are proud they did it..only the famous are been lifted now..
07-05-2013 2:36 PM
joe Bloggs may well have been arrested, but we'd never know as non celebs don't sell papers
07-05-2013 4:01 PM
CD
According to all the US cop shows I watch, they have a statute of limitations on everything but murder.
Maybe we should have something like that here
07-05-2013 4:03 PM
No one would believe these People, it is only when it was seen that the authorities were serious about investigating Saviles crimes, were the people brave enough to come forward
07-05-2013 4:48 PM
The problem with having a "cut off" time is that the girl/woman or boy/young man doesn't have a cut off time for the impact abuse has had on them, particularly rape. This is all about dealing with unfinished business for them and rightly so.
It would seem (hopefully at long last and not before time) that the police are taking these accusations seriously and are also hopefully going cautiously to get as much corroboration as possible before naming and then arresting people. Stuart Hall did plead guilty and was found guilty and will be sentenced next month, good.
As for compensation claims, that's appropriate because money can buy the victims ongoing private counselling which they would not get on the NHS. No one knows the impact it's had on their lives and what psychological damage has been done to them. These accused men are working in the public domain and have - if they are found guilty - taken advantage of their position and gone on with their lives not giving a hoot about the people they abused.
As for victims of abuse who have come from Care Homes etc, they should be compensated by the government by way of giving as much help to rebuild their lives and for as long as it takes. These are people without a voice who would not, had it not been for the Savile exposure, been listened to, least of all by the police.
07-05-2013 7:03 PM
I'm inclined to agree with aernethril, could be that anyone who had their bum patted by a famous person years ago, when it seems (wrongly, of course) to have been more accepted, is starting to tell people about it.
I am concerned about the naming of these men - fine if they turn out to be guilty, but what if they were innocent and the claim is malicious? Mud sticks.
07-05-2013 10:04 PM
Now Nigel Kennedy is jumping on the band wagon as 'elite' schools are investigated.
I do wonder though, how much damage is done to those who had moved on and put it all behind them to have it all raked over again.
What if one person makes their complaint and names other they 'knew' were abused? Do the police track down that person and open up a whole load of unpleasant memories or try to encourage others to add their evidence?
Some people may well develop very mixed feelings about it all, over stuff they'd left behind.
There is a real possibility that some adults who were not really abused, or who have chosen to move on and let it go, will feel guilty if they do not come forward.
Whilst I knew when the JS saga was in opening, that this would open a huge can of worms that would spread and go from bad to worse, it seems that there is likely to be no end at this rate.
There is another aspect to this - that of those who cannot have their cases investigated because they don't have enough evidence, or the people who abused them have gone or are not known.
This could cause a lot of unresolved hurt and guilt to start spreading and I don't think anyone has given this enough thought.
It's just been a mad dash to weed out as many dark deeds as possible, at any cost.
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08-05-2013 11:40 AM
I am concerned about the naming of these men - fine if they turn out to be guilty, but what if they were innocent and the claim is malicious? Mud sticks.
I agree - Rolf Harris and Tarby haven't even been charged with anything as yet.