He ordered us to preach to the people and to give a thorough witness.—Acts 10:42

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He ordered us to preach to the people and to give a thorough witness.—Acts 10:42.All of us are subject to “the law of the Christ.” (Gal. 6:2) That law includes all that Jesus taught. Foremost among Jesus’ teachings is that his followers should display love. (John 13:35; Jas. 2:8) And one of the primary ways we show love for God, for Christ, and for our neighbor is by preaching the good news of the Kingdom. (John 15:10; Acts 1:8) Jesus commanded only a relatively small number of his followers—those to whom he appeared after his resurrection—to preach. (Acts 10:40-42; 1 Cor. 15:6) But all his faithful first-century disciples recognized that the command applied to them, even if they had not personally heard Jesus speak. (Acts 8:4; 1 Pet. 1:8) Likewise today, Jesus has not personally spoken to any of the eight million active Kingdom preachers. But all recognize their obligation to exercise faith in Christ and to express that faith by means of the witnessing work.—Jas. 2:18. w15 3/15 4:14, 15

[cee-dee]

That goes a long way to prove that which JWs believe is just selective information. It's no more "witness" than "the word" according to Mr Anybody.

Another thing, it's long been proved that the most unreliable evidence is "eye-witness" evidence, ie, what someone says is not to be relied upon as absolute proof, therefore what someone says is "the word" of any god is not to be relied upon as a fact.

[Anonymous]

God stated with his word, nothing should be taken away and nothing added or changed

How about this then.

https://youtu.be/tXpgSk9PjHk

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Really CD you carry on believing that you have a right to do so.

You are making your choice that Jehovah has given you.

It does not prove what you say at all.  Life itself is evidence enough of our creator, it Is down to whether you believe it or not, you clearly dont, that is your choice.

Every one has the right to choose CD everyone, so that means they  have a right to see and read what is put up on  our website official website too. To have visits to heir home and be offered Bible studies to accept them or they want them so they can learn for themselves and decide for themselves

Where do all the theories (pardon me, your so called proofs) come from.   I'll tell you, Man and his assumptions and ideas. I just happen to believe in a higher authority one who cannot lie, and one who created all things so the one that knows.

I will continue to believe in Jehovah and accept and  appreciate his sovereignty and what he has done for mankind up to now and what he has yet to do.

That is my choice xxxx

We will eventually know who is right and who is wrong. Until then I choose to be a Jehovah's Witnesses because I choose to be one.

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Give thanks to Jehovah, for he is good.—Ps. 106:1.

Throughout history, Jehovah’s people have rejoiced in their blessings. For example, after being delivered from Pharaoh and his armies at the Red Sea, the Israelites expressed their joy in songs of praise and thanksgiving. (Ex. 15:1-21) Today, among our most treasured blessings is our sure hope of deliverance from everything that causes us pain and distress. (Ps. 37:9-11; Isa. 25:8; 33:24) Imagine how we will feel when Jehovah crushes all his enemies and welcomes us into a new world of peace and righteousness. What a day for thanksgiving that will be! (Rev. 20:1-3; 21:3, 4) Whatever may come upon us in the meantime, we know that Jehovah will never abandon us. (Deut. 31:8; Ps. 9:9, 10) He will continue to provide everything we need to serve him faithfully. Therefore, may we reflect joyfully on our blessings and be moved to follow the admonition of today’s text

[lightblueberet]

I grew up with a grandmother (now long deceased) who was a JW.

From a young age she did her utmost best to convert me, all to no avail, and, as I recall, having a normal conversation with her was next to impossible as it always turned to religion !

Two things spring to mind : a). The 'hard sell' techniques they use on would-be-converts, something which any decent Sales&Marketing company would pay millions to acquire, and b)...Certain, for the use of a better word, daily chores and/or problems in dealing with e.g. banks, governmental depts. etc etc, which were child's play for her, having asked for her 'brothers' and 'sisters' to intervene !  

[cee-dee]

You have every right to make your choice and believe what you want to believe BUT..... you have no right whatsoever to attempt to ram your beliefs down the throats of everyone else whether that be by continual posting such things or continually turning up on the doorstep attempting to distribute your Watchtower propaganda.

It's a poor belief that believes in shunning or disfellowshipping people and as I've told you before, the nearest I've come to the JW way of life is driving/walking past Kingdom Halls and telling JW callers on my doorstep to put their printed stuff straight in the bin to save me the time doing it before asking them (politely) to go away and take their message with them!!

No, I've never been disfellowshipped because I've never been (and never will be) party to your calling so don't think along those lines.

As for the "studies", they're only promoting what you want people to believe and just how would you react to reasoned argument? Your interpretation of what was written long ago is just that, your interpretation. Does the interpretation of others make them any less "true" than what you believe? There's absolutely no "evidence" that any of it was true way back then and certainly not now.

What is true is that Jesus lived and died a Jew and promoted his belief about how people should go about their lives and a lot of that isn't wrong because following that way of life is a pretty decent way.

Proofs? There are none. The only things that can be "proved" are that certain things were written. That they were written doesn't make them true. Anyone can write anything. To "prove" that, take 100 people, give them a half-hour lecture then ask then to write down what they heard and you'll get 100 different versions all floating round the subject but they'll be different nevertheless.

Further, take those 100 people and ask THEM to give a lecture on the same subject to fifty people and afterwards ask those five thousand people to write down what they heard and you'll get 5,000 different versions. Translate those in to a few different languages and/or dialects and give them to different people to re-translate and then compare those to the original lecture and see what you've got.

So it was when those old remnants of very ancient writings were written and transcribed much later!!

[bankhaunter]

Whilst there is a distinct possiblity a character upon whom Jesus is based, did exist, there is no real evidence, messianic street preachers were not exactly unknown at the time and there are no contemporaneous accounts of a Jesus.

The Jehovah's Witnesses fit all the definitions of a cult in particular the disfellowship practice which divides family members from each other, for example a daughter who is not allowed to speak to her dying mother the cult has such a hold on her.

The technique is to get the member in to the position where they split from their family unless they are also members and all their friends are also in the cult, if they then want to leave, they are faced with splitting from JW family members and losing all the people they socialise with and thus have no support at a time it's most needed.

It's a technique common with cults and is one of the ways of defining what a cult is.

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https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/control-world-tract/who-controls-the-world/

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God stated with his word, nothing should be taken away and nothing added or changed

How about this then.

https://youtu.be/tXpgSk9PjHk

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Sorry Harry am not sure what you are asking here?  Xxxx

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Whilst there is a distinct possiblity a character upon whom Jesus is based, did exist, there is no real evidence, messianic street preachers were not exactly unknown at the time and there are no contemporaneous accounts of a Jesus.

The Jehovah's Witnesses fit all the definitions of a cult in particular the disfellowship practice which divides family members from each other, for example a daughter who is not allowed to speak to her dying mother the cult has such a hold on her.

The technique is to get the member in to the position where they split from their family unless they are also members and all their friends are also in the cult, if they then want to leave, they are faced with splitting from JW family members and losing all the people they socialise with and thus have no support at a time it's most needed.

It's a technique common with cults and is one of the ways of defining what a cult is.

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Bank, I really don't know where you get your information about disfellowshipping. Have you had first hand experience of disfellowshipping or are you just basing your knowledge on what you have read or been told by someone not a JW.

It is quite obvious that someone so opposed to the faith will use and twist all they can to discredit and turn others away. This is what you are doing as you don't believe in it and want to keep others from it. You are actually a tool being used yourself by a very powerful being in opposition to Jehovah.  I wander how you feel when you think you are making your own way in he world you state you obey noone, without knowing it you to are being manipulated and used.

Satan is using and doing everything in his power to use and confuse anyone he can to keep them from the faith that can save them.

It is very sad Bank that people allow themselves to hate the faith so much. 

What we are sked of our God Jehovah is nothing bad, we have to live by loving clean principals, we must not hate anyone, we must not have prejudice, we must be honest and kind, be mortally clean.

What is it about those that is so bad.  Xx

[lightblueberet]

bank

The next most difficult thing after climbing & reaching the peak of Mt.Everest without the use of an oxygen mask, is having a conversation with a JW and attempting to make him/her see reason from your side !

I know first hand...I had one in the family (see my previous post above).

[bankhaunter]

There is plenty of information from those who have had experience. They can't all be lying.

All in the congregation can show principled love by avoiding contact and conversation with the disfellowshipped person. (1 Cor. 5:11; 2 John 10, 11) They thus reinforce the discipline that Jehovah has given him through the elders.

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20150415/disfellowshipping-a-loving-provision/

[cee-dee]

I think you might find it easier to reach the top of Mount Everest.

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.................... we have to live by loving clean principals, we must not hate anyone, we must not have prejudice, we must be honest and kind, be mortally clean.

What is it about those that is so bad.  Xx

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Nothing bad about that at all FD, they are all admirable principles that we should all try to live by.  What I doubt is the requirement or necessity to have God/Jehovah in our lives to enable us to live by these moral standards. Lots of people throughout history have led blameless and admirable lives without the need to embrace God. They can't all be devil worshippers, it's not a case of 'you must be one or the other' some of us simply make do without becoming part of an organised religious club.

[evoman3957]

Religion is not a strength, it's a weakness......it's the teddy bear for the child, whose need is such; that they can't function without it. They need it to take to bed, otherwise they cannot sleep; they won't leave the house, or go on holiday, without it.  To forcibly remove it from the child, will produce psychological melt down. The difference is the child grows out of the teddy bear, but religion is a crutch for life. The child's answer to losing its mental support, is to be unable to function.........the adults, is to either resort to denial of any fact that disproves it; or to defend it with violence. Its worth, in its benign state, is harmless enough; but what's sad, is that it prevents affected human beings from recognizing their fragile mental state / vulnerability.

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Religion is not a strength, it's a weakness......it's the teddy bear for the child, whose need is such; that they can't function without it. They need it to take to bed, otherwise they cannot sleep; they won't leave the house, or go on holiday, without it.  To forcibly remove it from the child, will produce psychological melt down. The difference is the child grows out of the teddy bear, but religion is a crutch for life. The child's answer to losing its mental support, is to be unable to function.........the adults, is to either resort to denial of any fact that disproves it; or to defend it with violence. Its worth, in its benign state, is harmless enough; but what's sad, is that it prevents affected human beings from recognizing their fragile mental state / vulnerability.

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Mmmmmmmm, interesting point if view. Xx

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There is plenty of information from those who have had experience. They can't all be lying.

All in the congregation can show principled love by avoiding contact and conversation with the disfellowshipped person. (1 Cor. 5:11; 2 John 10, 11) They thus reinforce the discipline that Jehovah has given him through the elders.

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20150415/disfellowshipping-a-loving-provision/

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https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20061115/accept-jehovahs-discipline/

[Anonymous]

I thought it was obvious Forum, unless you haven't looked at the video where it is shown how many of the writings which were later discovered have not been included...left out...taken away, because it didn't suit the agenda of those in power.

If you believe there is a God, fine, I have absolutely no problem with that. I don't feel that the problem is really the faith in God or the unseen or unproven existence of that God. People believe all sorts of things that can't be proven and that is OK.

The problem for most is that the Bible, which we all know has undergone quite a bit of editing depending of which religion it was used by, is being taken as the word of God, while it was men who put pen to papyrus and didn't write word for word what God dictated to them, but their interpretation of Jesus' words and his teachings. (Apparently there were no women who wrote anything down........).

If you ask several people who have witnessed an accident they will all give a slightly different account of what happened. Multiply this by 10, 20 or 50 and you get a lot of Chinese whispers. So therein lies the issue that people have with the stories in the Bible. And in my opinion that's why a lot of people doubt the validity of the words.

I am happy for you that you find peace in your faith. I really am, but when you keep putting quotes from the Bible on this forum you do know what response you will get. I don't think you will ever change the minds of the people on here. It's a bit like flogging a dead horse. Sorry.

[bankhaunter]

From your link.

David suffered physically and mentally, but when he ‘confessed his transgressions, Jehovah pardoned him.’

Just one question.. Was that before or after God killed David's son?

And the Lord caused the son of David and Bathsheba, Uriah’s widow, to be very sick.   2 Samuel 15.