12-05-2017 11:11 AM - edited 12-05-2017 11:14 AM
Well, not sure whether I've bitten off a bit more than I can chew but I'm going to give it ago.
I've acquired an allotment very very near to my oh's on my new home it is in a very bad overgrown state so there's a lot of work to be done to get it ready before I can do any type of planting, so it looks like it is unlikely that i will be able to grow much if anything this year.
I have been told that doing a bit at a time is better than trying to get the whole lot up and running straight away, so what I would like to ask is.......
If there are any home growers out there could you give me any tips on what type of things I could try to grow that don't mind being planted late in the year.
Any allotment tips would be most appreciated and one thing I could do with knowing is how to tackle slugs and snails effectively without using harmful chemicals etc. As I have noticed the allotment next to mine have lost some lovely newly planted young plants already.
16-06-2017 7:01 AM
Can I refer you back to post #12.
As I said soil is a complex eco-system, your rotovating, digging and clearing has disrupted it. Not only the soil organisms but also the structure which is also very important and another reason results can be disappointing at first. Most of what plants need to thrive is in the soil already but your efforts will have made them difficult for the plants to get at.
Remember what I said about the most important nutrients for plants are sun-light and water? Plants only take food from the soil in the form of dissolved chemicals, add sunlight that provides the energy for them to convert the chemicals into more plant growth. By breaking up the soil the movement of water has become quicker but less even. When it rains you might be seeing puddles where the water doesn't drain in some places and dry areas where it's draining too quickly.
Don't make the big mistake of over cultivating, every time you dig or rotovate you are again breaking up the structure. It can only sort itself out naturally as it settles.
An ideal soil is one third solid, one third water and one third air. At the moment you most likely have too much air (because digging has made lots of bigger spaces between the solid particles) and too little water. Allow it to settle as naturally as possible. Tread on it as little as possible, let the worms, rain and gravity do what comes naturally.
Do you like hoeing? Having cleared the perrenial weeds you hopefully only have to tackle new weed seedlings. It's far less back-breaking (and quicker) to chop them up with a hoe than weeding. You will also be feeding the the soil organisms by doing this, adding small amounts of organic matter and air to the top couple of inches while not disturbing the deeper soil.
It's the begining of the all important process of getting your soil into good condition to give good results.
Do you know what type of soil you've got? Is it heavy and inclined to stay wet after rain or gritty and inclined to dry out quickly if it doesn't rain?
Do you know what kind of rock you have under the soil?
From your pictures the rock looks like Limestone (but are they local or have they been dumped). The weeds I can see are Dogs Mercury, what looks like some Willow Herb (plus grass which is the default in the UK). To me they indicate an alkaline, reasonably light soil, as does your healthy looking Apple tree. If you don't know these things ask more experienced neighbours. What you need to add will determined by what you have to start with and what needs to be improved.
16-06-2017 12:53 PM - edited 16-06-2017 12:56 PM
I do apologise quibono, I had completely forgotten you had given me some really good information earlier.
And your new post is just what I needed thank you.
Yes I do know a bit about using the hoe to keeps new weed seedlings down.once I get going I intend to do it regularly so things don't get hard work again.
The soil that I have dug is quite moist when I turn it over but not waterlogged. It does dry very quickly on the top and is very hard on the top, that's why my lighter weight rotavator didn't do the job and another grower used his mighty beast just to break it up for me.the last bit of clearing I have to do will have to be done more by hand anyway because there is far too much rubish rocks and slabs etc for even the large machine to cope with.
I'll take your advice and try and find out what type of soil it is, I live in a place called Redditch (Worcestershire) the name speaks for itself, Red ditch meaning it is some topsoil only a foot or so deep then you hit red clay, noticed stuff for growing but great if you want to make your own bricks lol.
Thanks again for your help, I have received read all your info and I think I will set out a little bit of a plan on how to build up some good growing soil xx
16-06-2017 1:00 PM
16-06-2017 1:17 PM
Oooooo, thanks petal.
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16-06-2017 1:44 PM
You don't have to apologise, there is so much to learn at the start it's dificult to keep everything in mind, let alone get it all right first time.
They say that gardening is relaxing and helps people de-stress, to be successfull you have to cultivate patience and work with your soil and the seasons. Things can rarely be rushed. I think I said before, don't work too hard, nature will if allowed to will do a lot of the work for you.
At this time of the year gentle hoeing is better than slogging away clearing ground, by the time it's dug and settled it will be too late for planting much anyway. So relax, enjoy the sun and leave the digging until it gets cooler in the autumn.
16-06-2017 1:52 PM
Keep at it, it's very rewarding in the end.
Peppers
Tomatoes
Oranges
Pomegranate
Passion Fruit
Banna Tree
Passion Fruit
16-06-2017 10:05 PM
Lovely pictures mike,
Pomegranate and passion fruit, not in this country is it?
My tomatoes plants are coming up ok, and have checked today and have got some tiny little cucumbers growing. I also planted a couple of butternut squash yesterday too so maybe I'll have something this year.
22-06-2017 10:16 AM
you're right, it would take a different climate to grow some of those without artificial help
tomatoes are useful, not sure what variety, but as stems grow keep an eye if they need stem support.
26-06-2017 2:49 PM
They may well be roasting on a day like today in the greenhouse.Lots of potash feed and regular watering
26-06-2017 6:34 PM
@javikha_4 wrote:They may well be roasting on a day like today in the greenhouse.Lots of potash feed and regular watering
I have been away from home since friday and just got back, i'll be checking on the plants when I take the dog a quick walk but I wont be at all surprised if I have lost them. 😞
Thank you for your advice about the potash I wiil certainly make note of that one. Xxx
12-07-2017 8:15 PM
Good evening all xxx
First fruits of my allotment labours.
Just about to sample the courgettes with my tea. Just how I like them baked in the oven with a bit of olive oil mmmmmmmm.
12-07-2017 8:23 PM
All looks great, well done. Tuck in
17-07-2017 2:53 PM
What an excellent first crop, well done you.
18-07-2017 1:35 PM
Thank you,
I have to say the courgettes' taste was very good. The outside skin was a little tough but I have put that down to picking them a little too late but I'm learning so not a bad first go I dont think.
I'm on my way down to my plot now as I'm going to be braving the horrid over grown rubbish dump bit at the end.
I've decided and had permision to put up a large poly tunnel as I like doing green house stuff and I love hanging basket flowers. My plots seems huge to me so i'll have plenty of room for everything I think.
18-07-2017 5:18 PM
Take your eyes off them for a few minutes, and you are looking at marrows. Best eaten much smaller than that, but you have a crop for all your work and that can be a good incentive.
20-07-2017 1:12 AM
This is more like a good courgette, picked it today, and also managed to get some nice runner beans xx
20-07-2017 6:24 AM
Congratulations!
If your weather's been anything like as unhelpful as it's been here you've done very well to get a crop at all. Especially as a beginner in your first year and on a new plot
22-07-2017 5:20 PM
Good evening everyone.
Thank you quibono,. The weather here has been extremely hot and and dry, so I just made sure I go and water every day. I can go to the allotment when I take my dog out for a work every morning.
Quick question if anyone can help. Xx
I posted earlier about the tree at the rough end of my plot, I thought it was an apple tree. Well it has grown profusely through the summer already so I decided to cut it back a lot while I have been clearing that end. I have found that it does have some fruits but I now know it isn't an apple tree. I'm stumped (lol) to know what it is as I don't recognise the fruit. Baring in mind it's a bit early for picking so the fruit I assume is a bit small very green and hard, can anyone help me to identify it? Many thanks.
22-07-2017 5:25 PM - edited 22-07-2017 5:27 PM
They look very much like greengages to me, no idea what variety. There are several different types, some are quite sweet and juicy others are very dry and have an almost papery texture.
22-07-2017 9:29 PM
Thank you JD, my fruit does look very much like a green gage looking at those in the link.
I also googled how to look after the tree if it is,. Don't think I have done too bad a job cutting back either, I'm going to try and take care of it to see if I can encourage more fruits for next year. I like the look of some of the things I can do with nice fruits.
I'll keep my eye on it and see how it goes, thanks again. Xxx