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merehazle · ‎16-06-2014

And about time too.

Campaigners have welcomed a law coming into effect today in England and Wales making it a criminal offence to force people into marriage. 1,302 were dealt with last year 82% female, 18% male, and 15% under 15. On those who are 'gay', they say if we force you it will cure you. Oh my life what next. Does anyone not want to follow their own heart?

Up to 7 years is a start. I would say a 7 year 'minimum' on hard labour too...was more deserved. Hard labour would clear an awful lot of prisoners, from our prisons. But its daft to think of bringing it back? lets stay SOFT!!!

saasher2012 · ‎16-06-2014

Unfortunately it won't stop them, because as you say this country is soft if people want to live & enjoy all the benefits we have they should live by the rules that we have if not they should suffer the punishments that we do.

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bankhaunter · ‎16-06-2014

The important thing is that those who are likely to be affected know the law exists and believe they stand a good chance of being prosecuted, it also sends out a powerful message of just how much the practice is regarded as unacceptable.

The length of the sentence is almost immaterial to some degree, for anybody successfully prosecuted and punished it will come as a shock as no doubt they don't think of themselves as wrongdoers.

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*.*..lola..*.* · ‎16-06-2014

I'm glad that law has been introduced but sadly I doubt there will be many young girls going to the police to report their own families.

Most of these girls are taken abroad on 'holiday' without being told that they are actually going there to get married. In a lot of cases to a member of their own extended family.

If they object, their passports are taken away and they are kept abroad for as long as it takes for them to become brainwashed and accepting of their situation (or have given birth to their first child).

Even when they are allowed to return to the UK, they still wouldn't go to the police because they would be disowned by their familes.

Most of these girls are really young, straight out of school. They would have no money, nowhere to live and no means of support so they just suffer in silence.

merehazle · ‎16-06-2014

@saasher2012 wrote:
Unfortunately it won't stop them, because as you say this country is soft if people want to live & enjoy all the benefits we have they should live by the rules that we have if not they should suffer the punishments that we do.

Yes, and prisoners are complaining about the overcrowding (good) that's a form of anti softness.

Now if they don't like it lump it. They had a choice! their victims didn't.

We have twice as many prisoners as in 1993. And a large increase of foreign national prisoners (now is that a surprise?) And as criminal gangs flood in with one of their favoured crimes among many being 'Crash for cash'. What a vile, vile crime which has proved fatal to one young woman. (and shouldn't they hang for it?).

We have the Romanian ATM thieves who are behind ''90%'' of these frauds. And these frauds rose by 11% in the first half of 2013.)

And another way our soft lot try to solve this massive problem is with 'suspended' sentences. Seeing so often on these crime watch programmes how they get away with suspended sentences defies belief. And of course they are free to do the same again, and again. And that's just what so many do.

saasher2012 · ‎16-06-2014

I can never understand the fact that when illegal immigrants are found they let them off by saying they have to report each week at a particular place until it gets sorted, & hey ! They go missing again. Surprise ! Surprise !!.no wonder they think this country is heaven.

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upthecreekyetagain · ‎16-06-2014

@*.*..lola..*.* wrote:
I'm glad that law has been introduced but sadly I doubt there will be many young girls going to the police to report their own families.

Most of these girls are taken abroad on 'holiday' without being told that they are actually going there to get married. In a lot of cases to a member of their own extended family.

If they object, their passports are taken away and they are kept abroad for as long as it takes for them to become brainwashed and accepting of their situation (or have given birth to their first child).

Even when they are allowed to return to the UK, they still wouldn't go to the police because they would be disowned by their familes.

Most of these girls are really young, straight out of school. They would have no money, nowhere to live and no means of support so they just suffer in silence.

Unfortunately I think you are correct with your above assessment Lola.

It was interesting listening to a woman from one of the support units for victims of forced marriage on Radio 4 today. Her view was very much in line with yours and she made the additional point that most victims didn't want their family members punished but just wanted to get out of the imposed relationship.

Most of the victims are very young, little more than children, and up until the point of the forced marriage were part of a loving family, a position they just wanted to return to, no matter how unrealistic that was. The last thing many wanted was to see their parents, siblings and grandparents punished.

Deno thread on FHG

al**bear · ‎17-06-2014

Under Scots Law it has always been illegal - NOT ONE CASE has come to the Courts in the modern era

*.*..lola..*.* · ‎17-06-2014

The last thing many wanted was to see their parents, siblings and grandparents punished.

A lot of them don't even realise that what their families are doing is wrong.

Forced marriage isn't necessarily about being physically held captive and made to do things against your will.

It can be much more subtle than that, involving guilt-tripping, emotional blackmail and brainwashing.

And it doesn't only happen to girls.

2017clearout · ‎18-06-2014

It's been a civil offence for some time (2007?) but they had real problems bringing cases precisely because, whilst young people may not want to be forced into marriage, equally, they didn't want to accuse their own families. It's also quite hard, I think, for us to understand just how strong notions of honour and shame our in some cultures - and to take your own family to court would be seen as very shameful and a real loss of family honour in some communities.

If you're interested in this issue, look on youtube for Nazir Afsal - I heard him speaking on Merseyside in a Forced Marriage conference a couple of year ago, and he was amazing. I think he's now based in Manchester, and he has done a great deal for raising awareness of these issues that are described as "cultural" but actually violate human dignity.

merehazle · ‎18-06-2014

Our government offered an amnesty to 135,000 illegal immigrants a few years ago and they took it. Well you cant blame them of course. A house, benefits, NHS. That's the incentive that makes them want to come here. Well it was only 135,000!!! what's that to a vast under populated country with vast ready infrastructure like ours?

Anyway, every year forced marriage sentences millions of women and young children to a life in slavery. It's a crime that's widespread, but rarely spoken about - a crime that flourishes in the shadows of society.

Reaching puberty should mark the beginning of gradual transition to a healthy and productive adult hood. Instead, for many girls, puberty marks an accelerating trajectory into inequality. Child marrage is a primary source of this, curtailing a critical period of growth, learning, identity formation and experimentation: each of which is essential if maturation into fully rounded human beings is to be unhindered.

Girls who miss out on school are especially vulnerable to it - while the more exposure a girl has to formal education and the better - off her family is, the more likely marriage is to be postponed.

And that's the heart of the matter - when girls have a ''choice'' in all aspects of their lives. Choosing when and who to marry is one of lives most important decisions. No one else, however well-meaning has the right to make that decision

upthecreekyetagain · ‎18-06-2014

It is factually incorrect to say that illegal immigrants come to this country for a house, benefits and the NHS. The very fact that they are illegal immigrants exclude them from those.

The vast majority come here for work and earn money to have a better life than they had in their country of birth.

I agree with your sentiments about forced marriages and fortunately in the UK the numbers are in the tens of thousands rather than the millions in other parts of the world - still too many nonetheless

I'm not sure though how your xenophobic attitudes will help those millions.

Deno thread on FHG

merehazle · ‎18-06-2014

Oh dear he is trying again. dig, dig, dig, dig.

Well, I knew it was coming. The great protector of the ''illegal'' immigrant.

I was talking about the 135,000 allowed an ''amnesty''. They are not housed and fed, they are starved and thrown on the streets,. that's what an amnesty means does it?

You agree with me about NOTHING!!! And do you know what what you think could not matter less to me.

He agrees with my sentiments about forced marriage ... BIG deal!!! (oh the despair! had he not).

I said: ''every year forced marriage sentences millions of women and young children to a life of slavery''. Obviously those millions are in the world.

Your not sure about anything really are you? So you keep on dig, dig, digging in the hope that one day you'll get one over on me.

Hard Luck! once again. Xenophobic ha ha hah !!! I know the rest - here's an advance zzzzzzzzZZZZZZzzzzzzz

upthecreekyetagain · ‎18-06-2014

Before going off on yet another rant read what you posted!

"A house, benefits, NHS. That's the incentive that makes them want to come here."

Simply untrue no matter how much you repeat yourself - ILLEGAL immigrants are not entitled to any of those and as such can NOT be the reason they continue to come here.

You claim to care about the millions who suffer the curse of forced marriage but your posts make clear that you don't really.

The rest of your post is too silly to deserve a response.

Deno thread on FHG

joe_bloggs* · ‎18-06-2014

We are many,They are few

bookhunter2007 · ‎19-06-2014

@upthecreekyetagain wrote:
You claim to care about the millions who suffer the curse of forced marriage but your posts make clear that you don't really.

That much is obvious. He even used D-Day as an excuse to have an Alf Garnett moment.

It's quite sad really, women face an uphill struggle as it is under regimes such as that in Saudi. Yet, in this instance, a women from Saudi comes to "tolerant" Britain to study, only to be murdered by some knuckledragger:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/saudi-student-may-have-been-murdered-because-she-was-wear...

I wonder if these are the sort of "British values" Mere has in mind?

merehazle · ‎19-06-2014

@bookhunter2007 wrote:
@upthecreekyetagain wrote:
You claim to care about the millions who suffer the curse of forced marriage but your posts make clear that you don't really.
That much is obvious. He even used D-Day as an excuse to have an Alf Garnett moment.

It's quite sad really, women face an uphill struggle as it is under regimes such as that in Saudi. Yet, in this instance, a women from Saudi comes to "tolerant" Britain to study, only to be murdered by some knuckledragger:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/saudi-student-may-have-been-murdered-because-she-was-wear...

I wonder if these are the sort of "British values" Mere has in mind?

Heh, Mr Bookhunter before I prove something.

I believe we are not allowed to talk about another thread while we are on a different thread (you have). I will bring up all what I think is relevant and you two can go ahead with your thoughts. ENJOY!

Posting your reply (how cowardly & childish) at 1am in the morning when you knew I would not be there to answer wasn't a tattic I suppose? In the hope it would STINK! for a while. And that's all It did.

Now before I go and allow you two to split hairs again, and again, and again. You for sure see my D- Day thread. We know that. Yet you could not offer one word of thanks to those we ALL owe so much . Niether did your mate who probably never see it? (page2 now) And that just about sums things up.

Anyway... I will bring the relevant threads & comments again soon (on those threads...that's allowed) And they do reveal matters. And you can comment their where it's at? (heh). And they will. Oh dear oh dear.