Football: is biting someone worse than breaking his leg?

Biting an opponent in sport is horrible and not something that any normal person would do (so that leaves Tyson and Suarez).

 

But is it really worse than anything else that goes on on a football pitch, such as deliberately tackling in a way that causes injury and possibly ends the other man's career?

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In Tyson's case 

 

 

He was being outboxed , by one of the few men who were ever not scared of him (Holyfield )

 

 

His career was in decline in any case ,sinc eh'd joined Don King a few years previoulsy , and his imprisonement .

 

 When Holyfeild was laying into him and head butting him , he had no "boxing " answer to his humilation , in the eyes of the world , so he bit  part of his opponets ear off 

 

 an action so shocking  , the fight was stopped and Tyson disgraced .

 

 I can't understand why Suarez does it though ? 

 

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@sir_arthur_strebe-grebling wrote:

Biting an opponent in sport is horrible and not something that any normal person would do (so that leaves Tyson and Suarez).

 

But is it really worse than anything else that goes on on a football pitch, such as deliberately tackling in a way that causes injury and possibly ends the other man's career?


No it's not worse but I would expect that any player who committed to such a tackle on three separate occasions to receive at least as long a ban as Suarez.

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

No it's not worse but I would expect that any player who committed to such a tackle on three separate occasions to receive at least as long a ban as Suarez.


Good point but that doesn't seem to happen. From my casual observation of football, it seems that players can get away with kicking opponents as much as they like. The authorities only seem to bother about other things like biting, spitting,and - worst of all, of course - using a naughty word.

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The Panel, covering the World Cup, were discussing it yesterday evening on TV. Gordon Strachan, who was on the Panel, said "I don't know why people are so surprised, there are NO morals in football and never have been"...........just about sums it up really !!

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http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/luis-suarez-fifa-has-lost-all-sense-of-proportion/15283...

 

What about punishing according to the degree of harm caused? Apart from teeth marks and wounded pride, there was no significant harm caused by Suárez’s bite. No blood was drawn, no flesh was torn. Nobody got eaten. It wasn’t a career-wrecking assault. It was a violent act, but was it any worse than a punch, a headbutt, a studs-up tackle or an elbow to the throat? Clearly not. So why does a bite warrant a stiffer penalty than all these acts of violence?

 

It seems that Suárez is being punished for violating a social taboo. Biting, like spitting, is considered uncivilised. Suárez’s punishment therefore would appear to include an additional moral premium. But whose morals are we talking about? Sure, there’s been plenty of frothing outrage, particularly in England. But while some were outraged, the rest of us were pissing ourselves laughing. That’s right: we thought it was bloody hilarious. Top notch entertainment. So, there’s not even a moral consensus over the alleged crime.

 

I propose a simple and proportionate punishment, based on philosopher Jeremy Bentham’s ‘hedonistic calculus’, weighing up the amount of pleasure or pain caused. The bite itself deserves a three-match ban (actual cannibalism would carry a stiffer, six-match sanction). However, as the bite caused almost as much pleasure as it did pain, I’d offset the penalty with a two-game ‘mirth bonus’. The net result is a one-match ban. A reasonable sanction or a recipe for cannibalism? I’ll leave you, dear reader, to chew over that question.

 


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Yes well that's not surprising, the World Cup brings together all peoples from across the spectrum; from those planting trees ( to help control the world's CO2 )............to those still living in them !!

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I think it's because bad tackling and kicking etc are expected, if not allowed: we don't really expect anyone over the age of two to express themselves by biting, and that's why it's seen as a "worse" action.  I think it's extremely peculiar that a grown man has a reputation as a biter, but then, I never have understood games like football 🙂

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With regard to the point about "What about punishing according to the degree of harm caused? Apart from teeth marks and wounded pride, there was no significant harm caused by Suárez’s bite..." you seem to have missed the point here.  Anybody knows that biting another person is not an acceptable way to behave - most people grow out of that when they are toddlers!  Let's just assess the same incident in an everyday situation - an employee gets cross with a colleague at work and subsequently bites them with over twenty other people present at the time of the attack.  The most likely result would be that they'd not only end up gettting sacked from their job but they would also end up being prosecuted.  Suarez has still got his job - although temporarily banned because of his biting antics - and he didn't even get sent off, let alone fined for the attack!  By taking this soft approach of "punishing according to the degree of harm caused" the punishment would not be severe enough to act as a deterrent.  This is not a one-off occurrence - the guy has done it before and he has now done it again; therefore, the punishment needs to be harsh enough to prevent another similar episode.  Personally I don't think the punishment was harsh enough - given the fact that he has previously done this before I think he should have been permanently banned from football and tried in a court of law for assault.  He might be a gifted footballer but that does not mean that this behaviour should be regarded as acceptable.

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Taking your scenario where someone bit somebody else at work then yes, I accept that you would likely be sacked.  You wouldn't however be banned from from finding another job for four months and you most certainly wouldn't be banned from following your chosen occupation for life!

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Had it been a kick or a rough shoulder charge, then it would be something you expect and accept that in a game of football, it's something that would happen from time to time.

 

Had the biting happened during a falling tumble with another player, there's a possibility that a mouth could make accidental contact with another player.

 

However, during the incident in question there was no accidental contact, you can see it was a deliberate action, ie, he intended to bite and deliberately dipped his head on to the others shoulder.

 

That being so, it was assault. Also, there's a chance of spreading an infection from a bite so the punishment he got was unduly lenient.

 

As to a bite in the workplace, after a third bite, the sack and a charge of assault would be appropriate. As to future employment, the fact that someone had bitten three people would be enough to put anyone off employing or working with him so it would be his own bad behaviour that might prevent any future employment.



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In this country it would certainly be classed as common assault, (the skin wasn't broken), I don't know what the laws in Brazil are.

 

As for the ban I think the key word in your post is 'might' - i.e. it "might prevent any future employment".

 

Any suggestion of a lifetime ban is in my opinion just over the top.

 

It's fair to argue the ban that has been imposed isn't long enough but considering that it is a record for FIFA in its severity I think they have probably got it just about right.

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

 

Any suggestion of a lifetime ban is in my opinion just over the top.

 


The reason why I mentioned that Suarez should face a lifetime ban is because unlike most people he is in a profession in which he is regularly in the public eye, and his actions could have been - and probably were - witnessed by children as well as adults.  If younger, more impressionable children saw that a footballer - whether it was Suarez or somebody else - had got away with biting opponents on more than one occasion then they may well start to think that it wasn't really anything out of order, which could lead to the possibility that they then start to follow his example.  By giving Suarez a lifetime ban you remove the source of the problem for good, whilst at the same time sending out a strong message to other players that this sort of behaviour will not be tolerated.  There are plenty of other jobs that Suarez could do for a living besides kicking a ball across a field - most people have to work in normal 9:00 - 5:00 jobs for a living so why should Suarez be any different?  He messed up big time - if he were to be given a lifetime ban from playing football then he'd only have himself to blame.  In some professions if you mess up you get banned for life - for example, if a Surgeon were to make a serious error of judgement and his/her error caused an injury to a patient then that Surgeon could end up being struck off and banned from practising again.  If this rule can be applied to normal people then why should Suarez be exempt when he's messed up to this extent?  He's done it on more than one occasion so if he isn't stopped for good then he's likely to do it again at some point, perhaps to the extent where he actually bites a chunk of flesh off of his opponent the next time.

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Duncan Ferguson was  jailed for this tap with his head on cheating diving McStay, He hardly touched him

 

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@m25jet wrote:

@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

 

Any suggestion of a lifetime ban is in my opinion just over the top.

 


The reason why I mentioned that Suarez should face a lifetime ban is because unlike most people he is in a profession in which he is regularly in the public eye, and his actions could have been - and probably were - witnessed by children as well as adults.  If younger, more impressionable children saw that a footballer - whether it was Suarez or somebody else - had got away with biting opponents on more than one occasion then they may well start to think that it wasn't really anything out of order, which could lead to the possibility that they then start to follow his example.  By giving Suarez a lifetime ban you remove the source of the problem for good, whilst at the same time sending out a strong message to other players that this sort of behaviour will not be tolerated.  There are plenty of other jobs that Suarez could do for a living besides kicking a ball across a field - most people have to work in normal 9:00 - 5:00 jobs for a living so why should Suarez be any different?  He messed up big time - if he were to be given a lifetime ban from playing football then he'd only have himself to blame.  In some professions if you mess up you get banned for life - for example, if a Surgeon were to make a serious error of judgement and his/her error caused an injury to a patient then that Surgeon could end up being struck off and banned from practising again.  If this rule can be applied to normal people then why should Suarez be exempt when he's messed up to this extent?  He's done it on more than one occasion so if he isn't stopped for good then he's likely to do it again at some point, perhaps to the extent where he actually bites a chunk of flesh off of his opponent the next time.


You ask, "why should Suarez be any different" and then go on to compare his actions with that of a surgeon.

 

Well yes I agree - if a surgeon were to be struck of for bruising a patient, even if it were the third occassion, then I would think that also was an over the top punishment.

 

There is no excuse for what Suarez did but biting an opponent during a fast contact sport contest really is not the end of the world as we know it. 

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This is the third similar incident that this yobbo has been involved in. Clearly the message that his behaviour is unacceptable has not yet penetrated his thick skull. All that has happened on this occasion in retribution, is that he's been deprived of a bit of pocket money. Maybe a more fitting punishment would be to extract all his teeth - without anaesthetic - and then enforce a two year ban, instead of a paltry four months.

 

The amusing thing though in this display of childish behaviour, was the fact that he started to clutch at his molars as if they had suddenly developed a life of their own, and had decided to attack his opponent. That and the fact that he expected everyone to believe his amateur dramatics.

 

But of course try telling that to his legion of followers, who think the sun shines out of his penalty area.

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@m25jet wrote:

@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

 

Any suggestion of a lifetime ban is in my opinion just over the top.

 


The reason why I mentioned that Suarez should face a lifetime ban is because unlike most people he is in a profession in which he is regularly in the public eye, and his actions could have been - and probably were - witnessed by children as well as adults.  If younger, more impressionable children saw that a footballer - whether it was Suarez or somebody else - had got away with biting opponents on more than one occasion then they may well start to think that it wasn't really anything out of order, which could lead to the possibility that they then start to follow his example.  By giving Suarez a lifetime ban you remove the source of the problem for good, whilst at the same time sending out a strong message to other players that this sort of behaviour will not be tolerated.  There are plenty of other jobs that Suarez could do for a living besides kicking a ball across a field - most people have to work in normal 9:00 - 5:00 jobs for a living so why should Suarez be any different?  He messed up big time - if he were to be given a lifetime ban from playing football then he'd only have himself to blame.  In some professions if you mess up you get banned for life - for example, if a Surgeon were to make a serious error of judgement and his/her error caused an injury to a patient then that Surgeon could end up being struck off and banned from practising again.  If this rule can be applied to normal people then why should Suarez be exempt when he's messed up to this extent?  He's done it on more than one occasion so if he isn't stopped for good then he's likely to do it again at some point, perhaps to the extent where he actually bites a chunk of flesh off of his opponent the next time.




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The reason why football is so popular and is the game of the people, is because it's the only sport that truly reflects the WHOLE of society. It's played by Princes, Paupers, Saints, Sinners, Givers, Takers, Benefactors and Gutter Trash...................and it has all the problems the world has, chucked into one big melting pot.

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I think Tommy, that we're all well aware of the obscene amounts that the football fraternity 'earn', and how much they are held in high esteem by some people. It's not only Count Dracula. Probably the reason why a lot of them think that they're above reproach - and in many instances, that seems to be the case.

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@evoman3957 wrote:

The reason why football is so popular and is the game of the people, is because it's the only sport that truly reflects the WHOLE of society. It's played by Princes, Paupers, Saints, Sinners, Givers, Takers, Benefactors and Gutter Trash...................and it has all the problems the world has, chucked into one big melting pot.


A very good description.

 

 

In the case of biting an opponent in  any sport, it is a blatant premeditated act of violence against another human being which is absolutely not acceptable and should be treated and punished as such.

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