FRANCE attacked again...such sadness and horrific carnage

[bridget-jones-diary]

Yet again France hit by a terror attack in Nice after a firework display on Bastile Day. 77 dead with at least 20 critical ...including several children....with a hundred or so also injured...this is a truly sad day! One image I found particularly poignant...a child's body covered over with her dolly lying beside her...it's heartbreaking! 

What exactly motivates a 31 year old French Tunisian to do this? Allah? God? Mohammed? NO....this is man's inhumanity to his fellow man....

VIVE LA FRANCE...

[calibra101]

Katie Hopkins mostly talks rubbish but on this occasion she has a point. I think it was after the Charlie Hebdo attack (I know I'll be corrected if wrong) when a victim said "Do not pray for me, I do not want your prayers, it was religion that caused this in the first place".

[fallen-archie]

The words she has penned will resonate approvingly among many of us sick to death with the way we try to appease those who spread destruction and hatred. Across the globe there are innocent people being targetted by Muslim fanatics in the name of Allah. They are driven by a group of medieval minded preachers who are in turn funded directly and indirectly by those they target. It is a massive conspiracy, one which without our acceptance could be stopped. It's like drugs, because there is huge profit for a few we pay lip service to destroying them at source. 

There has been a chequered history on this forum in relation to the Muslim problem, often debates got out of hand and were self destructive, yet if we accept what is fact, warts and all, it is a debate worth having. My view is that if you cannot live peacefully alongside those who share their services, schools, hospitals, benefits and neighbourhoods Then you have no rught to be here.  

[mikes*corvettes]

Just in case anyone has doubts about what these animals will do for their religion.

Information on the murdered people on the second floor of the Bataclan from last November has recently been released.

"According to this testimony, Wahhabist killers apparently gouged out eyes, castrated victims, and shoved their testicles in their mouths. They may also have disemboweled some poor souls. Women were stabbed in the genitals – and the torture was, victims told police, filmed for Daesh or Islamic State propaganda. For that reason, medics did not release the bodies of torture victims to the families, investigators said."

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/07/15/french-lawmakers-told-bataclan-terrorists-tortured-disembowe...

And yet we have a poster on here when the discussion was about not allowing any Muslims in that could harm us saying that "We should sacrifice a few ( our citizens ) for the greater good of others ( Muslim immigrants )".

[joe_bloggs*]

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@mikes*corvettes wrote:

Just in case anyone has doubts about what these animals will do for their religion.

Information on the murdered people on the second floor of the Bataclan from last November has recently been released.

"According to this testimony, Wahhabist killers apparently gouged out eyes, castrated victims, and shoved their testicles in their mouths. They may also have disemboweled some poor souls. Women were stabbed in the genitals – and the torture was, victims told police, filmed for Daesh or Islamic State propaganda. For that reason, medics did not release the bodies of torture victims to the families, investigators said."

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/07/15/french-lawmakers-told-bataclan-terrorists-tortured-disembowe...

And yet we have a poster on here when the discussion was about not allowing any Muslims in that could harm us saying that "We should sacrifice a few ( our citizens ) for the greater good of others ( Muslim immigrants )".

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That would of course be horrific,but is that the truth?

http://www.snopes.com/france-covered-up-bataclan-victims/

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Minutes from the inquiry session of 30 March 2016 again addressed what were clearly marked as rumors, and the government inquisition again heard no forensic evidence that supported such claims:

Mr. President. Following the November attacks, he was referred to the commission of barbaric acts.

François Molins. It's a rumor. Forensic doctors were categorical: there was no act of barbarism, no use, including knives. According to a witness, the testicles of a victim were cut off, but no findings have corroborated it"

" Had the French government opted to cover up acts of torture and emasculation at the venue, there was nothing stopping the vast majority of surviving witnesses from sharing their stories. None did."

[mikes*corvettes]

Joe, how many people survived on the second floor exactly ?

[joe_bloggs*]

No idea,just going off official reports,maybe i should put more trust in fox news

[mikes*corvettes]

Mr. President Georges Fenech Indeed, the Committee is troubled by this information which has appeared nowhere [in the media]. Thus, the father of one of the victims sent me a copy of a letter he sent to the investigating judge, which I quote in summary: “On the causes of the death of my son A., at the forensic institute in Paris, I was told, and what a shock it was for me at that moment, they had cut off his testicles, had put them in his mouth, and he was disemboweled. When I saw him behind glass, lying on a table, a white shroud covering it up to the neck, a psychologist was with me. He said: This is “the only presentable part, your son’s left profile.” I found that he had no right eye. I made the remark; I was informed that they had punctured his eye and  sliced down the right side of his face, where there was a very large hematoma that we could all see. ”

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-15/french-government-forced-admit-it-suppressed-news-gruesome-...

Not just Fox News but reported widespread.

[joe_bloggs*]

Authored by Louise Mensch, originally posted at HeatStreet.com, come on,Louise Mensch was not only wrong, she was misleading in a malicious and dishonest manner in order to whip up hatred over acts that did not take place.as i said i'd sooner believe the official account

[mikes*corvettes]

So if the French Government covered it up in November,are they are going to admit to it in July ?

But just in case you missed this and remember it's a transcript of the hearing.

A prosecutor appearing before the inquiry replied lamely that no sharp knife had been found at the scene that could have been used for torture. Perhaps shrapnel had caused the mutilation, he said. The head of the committee asked if an explosion would have placed testicles in a victim’s mouth:

Prosecutor: I specify, for the sake of clarity: some of the bodies found at the Bataclan were extremely mutilated by the explosions and weapons, to the point that it was sometimes difficult to reconstruct the dismembered bodies. In other words, injuries described this father may also have been caused by automatic weapons, by explosions or projections of nails and bolts that have resulted.

Q. Would those have put a man’s ***** (testicles) in in his own mouth?

Prosecutor: I do not have that information.

[fallen-archie]

Tell you what Guys, why not stick to the key facts about innocent people who shared their home and Country with Muslim people who for reasons yet to be properly established, deliberately planned and carried out an act of mass murder. Whether it be a night club or a celebration in Nice there was no justification for these crimes.

[joe_bloggs*]

From the official report online:

http://www.leparisien.fr/attentats-terroristes-paris/attentats-de-paris-le-procureur-dement-les-rume...

..Strongly denied the claims by the Paris prosecutor Francois Molins in his hearing before the same commission of inquiry : "The forensic experts were categorical: there were no acts of barbarity, not of uses including , knives ". In fact , autopsies and forensic findings of the bodies show no trace of such mutilation"

suppose it depends on who you believe,or what you want to believe

[mikes*corvettes]

Not trying to justify these religious crimes FA, they turn my stomach.

But what turns my stomach even more is that the French President for all the lip service he's paid, doesn't have the backbone to call these crimes for what they really are and is still calling them acts of terror, which they're not.

[mikes*corvettes]

Is this how we treat our kids which is from over a year ago and people are buying in to he was depressed from his pending divorce.

[calibra101]

These monsters behead people, burn people alive in cages, boil people alive so eye gouging and castration would be a walk in the park for them and probably fun.

[upthecreekyetagain]

All the reports coming out of France indicate that the driver of the lorry wasn't a practicing Muslim but there are links to ISIS.

Doesn't this raise the question as to how ISIS are able to recruit these home grown terrorists if they are not doing so on a religious basis?

[lightblueberet]

"...how ISIS are able to recruit these home grown terrorists..."

At a guess...unemployment and zero integration in French society, to name but two. I'm sure ISIS are experts in exploiting the rest !

[mikes*corvettes]

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

All the reports coming out of France indicate that the driver of the lorry wasn't a practicing Muslim but there are links to ISIS.

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Oxymoron.

[mikes*corvettes]

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@upthecreekyetagain wrote:

All the reports coming out of France indicate that the driver of the lorry wasn't a practicing Muslim but there are links to ISIS.

Doesn't this raise the question as to how ISIS are able to recruit these home grown terrorists if they are not doing so on a religious basis?

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Now that I have some time I'll explain it to you:

It is really pretty simple, and this would not be the only muslim terrorist who seemingly came from a secular life to screaming voila-hackbar while slaughtering innocent people.

1. One is *born* into islam. Not living accordingly makes one an apostate.

2. An individual is living an apostate lifestyle, often in a foreign land.

3. General guilt over being spiritually impure. Add some malaise over failure in life.

4. Add some indoctrination at the mosque and coffee shops, especially pointing to the Western lifestyle being decadent and defiling.

5. Anger rises towards Western, decadent people, who clearly are to blame for every bad thing, personal, real or imagined and of course, oppression of fellow muslims.

6. Then comes the realization that the only way to atone for all the apostasy is to become a martyr.

Many of the 911 hijackers were drinking alcohol, eating pork, having sex with prostitutes and other things forbidden in Islam. Many of them were not known for being deeply religious most of their lives.

Islam does not offer forgiveness. It only offers atonement. The only way an individual can right himself with Islam is to do something in return - and great sin requires great sacrifice.

The only route to spiritual purity for an islamic apostate is martyrdom.

In radical islam, that means killing as many infidels as possible in the process of martyring oneself.

So there you go.

 

[upthecreekyetagain]

Number 5 in your list is the most 'important' of all the steps you give - without that then I don't believe that organisations like ISIS would be able to recruit nationals of Western countries to their cause.

[cee-dee]

You're wrong about there being no forgiveness in Islam, there are many verses in the Koran that mention forgiveness.

It's because they think they're going to be forgiven and be rewarded for martyrdom that drives them on.