Do we need Summer Time any more?

Do we need the annual switch to Summer time and the Autumnal switch back to GMT any more?

 

Would we be be any worse off to stick with GMT all year round?

 

The World's timekeeping revolves around UCT which is really GMT so why bother these days with "Summer Time"?

 

I see Russia has decided not to have Summer time next year.

 

What your view on the time situation?

 

 



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Ooops Sam !

Not much chance of me oversleeping though because I was only in bed for two hours and have been up since 0130.

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Seems lots of people don't care if it's still dark mid morning up north

 

I'm not sure if I believe those energy savings either

 

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Hi Al - I don't believe it's a question of people 'not caring' about it being darker in the mornings up north.

 

I was merely posting some examples of reasons why it is believed (by some) that there would be various benefits (road safety, health, energy saving, financial, trade with Europe etc.) from staying on BST (and some advocate being on CET during summer).

 

No amount of playing with the clock will make any difference to actual daylight hours up north in the winter, so it's a question of whether its better to be dark in the mornings or afternoons.

 

The most prominant campaigners for permanent BST seems to be from ROSPA who, from data on Road Traffic Accidents, have said that more people are killed during darker afternoons than mornings and concluded that more lives will be saved if we were on permanent BST.

 

During the working week, casualty rates peak at 8am and 5pm for adults and 8am and 3.30pm for children, with the afternoon peak being higher for both. Road casualty rates increase with the arrival of darker evenings and worsening weather conditions. Every autumn when the clocks go back and sunset occurs earlier in the day, road casualties rise. The effects are worse for the most vulnerable road users like children, the elderly, cyclists and motorcyclists.

 

The relative peaks are explained by several factors:

- Motorists are more tired after a day’s work and concentration levels are lower
- Children tend to go straight to school in the morning but often digress on their way home, increasing their exposure to road dangers
- Adults tend to go shopping or visit friends after work, increasing their journey times and exposure to road dangers
- Social and leisure trips are generally made in the late afternoons and evenings.

 

http://www.rospa.com/about/currentcampaigns/lighter-evenings/

 

 

 

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JHC!. I thought I worked funny hours, 👏 well done you!




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Suzie's points are well-researched and based on facts, not emotion. I would vote for permanent BST.

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The thing is, because there's nothing with which to compare the statistics, they don't prove that permanent GMT would kill more people. The figures certainly show what they show but prove nothing until there's a trial done with permanent GMT.

 

Also, were accidents really caused by the light (or dark) or were they caused by the carelessness on the part of some or all of those involved?

 

 

 



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@cee-dee wrote: were accidents really caused by the light (or dark) or were they caused by the carelessness on the part of some or all of those involved?

 

 

 


All 'accidents' are caused by carelessness on the part of those involved.

 

But one of the biggest acts of carelessness is not taking account of things being different in the dark, which is why it makes sense to change the clocks to make it lighter at a time when more people are on the roads.

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There is some evidence that there would be fewer accidents, based on the years 1968-71 when we were on permanent BST. It is acknowledged that nowadays different factors come into play so maybe it’s time to give it a trial.

 

Following bits taken from The Daylight Saving Bill 2010-11, Rebecca Harris MP’s Private Member’s Bill. It would have required the production of a cost-benefit report on advancing time by one hour throughout the year for the whole UK, and permit a trial clock change to take place. The Bill ran out of Parliamentary time.

 

Research based on the British Standard Time Experiment 1968-71 calculated that over one winter during the experiment 1120 less people were killed or seriously injured, and 2340 less were injured. This study also found that the “groups which had benefited most from the [retention of BST] were those aged 5-15, pedestrians and those living in Central England and Southern Scotland”.

 

Referring to all the evidence, the National Audit Office stated:

 

There are clear seasonal patterns to collisions which injure a pedestrian, with peaks generally occurring in October and November (Figure 8). The end of British Summer Time appears to be a significant factor. On average for the years 2000 to 2007, there were 10 per cent more collisions killing or injuring a pedestrian in the four weeks following the clocks going back than in the four weeks before the clocks changed. Research has shown that the period immediately after the clocks go back is more dangerous for road travel, even compared to other dark months such as January… Child pedestrians are most at risk from 3pm until 7pm, especially during the weeks after the end of British Summer Time.

 

The Committee recommended that:

 

There is substantial evidence that fewer people would be killed and seriously injured on Great Britain’s roads if this country were to put the clocks forward by one hour throughout the year. The Department should take the lead in re-examining the practice of changing clocks at the end of British Summer Time with other central Government departments

 

As a move to SDST may reduce the number of people killed and injured on the roads, the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents (RoSPA) supported an SDST experiment:

 

The only way to reach a conclusion about the effects of a move to SDST in this country, to align the UK clock with that of its European neighbours, is to conduct an experiment similar to that held during 1968/71. A trial implementation of SDST over at least two years, with modern evaluation methods and all data correctly and comprehensively recorded, will result in data that is unequivocal in terms of casualty savings and could cover much wider issues also. Such an experiment would give people an opportunity to experience the change for themselves and may be useful in crystallising opinions.

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I'd be happy to be on permanent BST. 

 

Or maybe stay on BST for 9 mths and just change over for the deepest, darkest bit of winter, ie in Nov 7th ish to Feb 4th ish.

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To be valid, such a trial would also have to be done with same number of years at GMT.



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Not if you were only comparing the winter period which is the main season of concern regarding accidents, health, energy saving etc. and which has almost always been on GMT.

 

 

What are the disadvantages of BST in the summer?  It's light for a large proportion of the day anyway.

 

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