Dave Lee Travis NOT GUILTY

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dave-lee-travis-trial-verdict-3140440

Let's hope he can put all this behind him now and get on with his life!

[suzieseaside]

What a waste of time and money.

I don't condone groping, but I do think the response of the woman to a 10 second feel of her chest was OTT.  As if something like that which is hardly 'terrifying' (that would describe the r word that is also an oilseed but ebay has to bleep it out) would really stop a 22 year old woman getting 'on with their life'.   If she was a researcher at the BBC I doubt she had a particularly sheltered life, and most probably went to University or College.

I wonder if she would have come forward and felt the need to tell the truth after all these years if he wasn't a celebrity.  Personally I doubt it.

"I was too paralysed with fear to confront my assailant."

The woman said she felt "lucky" that she was "physically resilient" enough to get on with her life "thanks largely to my colleagues".

I'm sure most women have had similar experiences, and often more than once, I know I have.  I'm not saying it's right, but if every man who had a 10 second unwanted grope was thought to be deserving of a custodial sentence, half the male population would have been inside at some time. 

[ronnybabes]

Being groped (and it seems  he may have been a serial groper ) is not pleasant, and he has now been sentenced.

 but.....

From 17 to 20 years of age, I worked with a predominently female workforce, I was subject to groping, and harrassment, and smutty inuendos on a weeklyy basis. These women made my life unpleasant, though I doubt they ever intended to do so, regarding it as a bit of fun. It was the 1970's and things were percieved very differently then.

They would certainly be shocked to the core, especially if the other 2, or 3 other young males who worked there, (and who also recieved the same abuse) were to make the same allegations.

Would these ladies be lambasted the same way their male counterparts have been?

Would our complaints ever be taken seriously? 

On a lighter note maybe we should see if any of them have attained extreme wealth before we make a complaint 40 years on.  

[suzieseaside]

Yes, sorry ronny, I should have added women and female to my comment: 'I'm not saying it's right, but if every man who had a 10 second unwanted grope was thought to be deserving of a custodial sentence, half the male population would have been inside at some time'. 

To my knowledge I haven't groped any men without permission  but I have no doubts that it happens or has happened inside and outside the workplace with both sexes taking advantage.

[ronnybabes]

I did complain after having wandering hands by middle aged women down my pants.

It was intimated that I was lucky and should make the most of it. End of...

If it had happened to a 17 year old of the opposite sex though, by middle aged men, I know the response would have  been different, and quite rightly so..... 

But I still think that I would find it difficult to be taken seriously 40 years on, should I have been emotionally traumatised, and still haunted by the incident today.

Whereas a lady of the same ilk would be believed.

You might not want to agree, but I bet you secretly do.  

[rose2008-2008]

Sexually Provocative offences can be commited by Words, Objects or Actions.

[tommy.irene]

The single guilty verdict against Travis leaves taxpayers with a bill of up to £1million. The former BBC star was forced to sell his home to help pay his own £350,000 legal costs. But that sum is dwarfed by the costs run up by police, prosecutors and the courts. Even before his first trial started in January, huge amounts had been run up during the police inquiry. Travis then spent 39 days in court spread across two trials, potentially costing around £400,000. On top of this is the salary of the judge, court staff and legal clerks, remuneration for jurors and overheads at the courthouse. The Crown Prosecution Service was unable to provide a detailed breakdown of its costs, but the bill for hiring Miranda Moore, QC, in the first trial was £59,061.23.

[tommy.irene]

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@ronnybabes wrote:

I did complain after having wandering hands by middle aged women down my pants.

It was intimated that I was lucky and should make the most of it. End of...

If it had happened to a 17 year old of the opposite sex though, by middle aged men, I know the response would have  been different, and quite rightly so..... 

But I still think that I would find it difficult to be taken seriously 40 years on, should I have been emotionally traumatised, and still haunted by the incident today.

Whereas a lady of the same ilk would be believed.

You might not want to agree, but I bet you secretly do.  .......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Quote.......................................... I had the same happen to me when i worked in the Mills . on my Birthday they stripped me and i had to run and hide in the storeroom..But i lived through it..

[saasher2012]

Absolutely Farcical !. &; I wonder who next is on the list to pad out the laws coffers?.
Ooooo. That's in answer to the cost of the trial not your birthday strip Tommy.

[rose2008-2008]

What did you mean in the Mills Tommy/Irene?.

[tommy.irene]

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@rose2008-2008 wrote:

What did you mean in the Mills Tommy/Irene?.

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I worked in the weaving mills as a storeman.. 1000s of women  and about ten men.. we were the ones picked on ..but as i said i lived through it .. 

[evoman3957]

The trouble with so many people today, is that they have no common sense, no sense of proportion, no decorum and are lousy judges of character and situations. You wouldn't pass a joint around at a Garden Party at Buckingham Palace, serve up Pork as a main meal at a Muslim wedding, grope a Nun's backside or start a poker game at a meeting of the temperance society. They may be obvious enough for most people to grasp and it may be life's more subtle situations they they find difficult. However the simple rule of thumb is that, if you don't know what to do.........don't do anything. If you don't know what to touch or not touch.........don't touch anything and if you don't know what to say...........try keeping your mouth SHUT!!..........now even for DLT and any others that fit the bill, that's not too hard is it !!

[rose2008-2008]

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@tommy.irene wrote:

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@rose2008-2008 wrote:

What did you mean in the Mills Tommy/Irene?.

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I worked in the weaving mills as a storeman.. 1000s of women  and about ten men.. we were the ones picked on ..but as i said i lived through it .. 

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Ohhhhh i seeee, i thought you might have meant a Paper Mill!. I worked in a Paper Mill for nearly ten years, there was fun and larking about there too. I had a good time in those days!! LOL.

[cee-dee]

It's never ending:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29415240

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I wonder if we should return to the days of chaperones, the touchy freely culture of the 60s/ 70s has clearly caused some individuals great trauma. And of course there are those who feel their lives will never be worth living until the person who pinched their bum is sent to the Tower.
I remember the days when a night out ended in a drive home, often under the influence, it was wrong and the accident stats built up to prove that, Kids used to make catapults and bows with arrows, offensive weapons?
I road my motorbike but never wore a helmet. The list is endless, terms now very racist, words which have been removed from daily use. T goes on and on, we are no longer tolerant, we all demand respect yet no one stands up for an elderly person to sit, few open the door for their partner or guest, politeness has gone to be replaced by correctness, but who decides right from wrong?

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@cee-dee wrote:

It's never ending:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29415240

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4 people have complained!  Sheesh!  If 4 people were to write in and say they thought the sentence was fair, would that cancel out the complainers?  Course it wouldn't. 

More time and money about to be wasted.

[cee-dee]

I know that women shouldn't have to suffer "unwelcome attention" but after all this time, it's not reasonable to pursue these cases the way they have.

What really rankles is the way some (criminal) offenders are constantly being "let off" with idiotically lenient sentences but in comparison these historical cases are being pursued in such a way you'd think it was a mad axe murderer they were prosecuting.

[colln_colln]

So is Rolf Harris' appeal against his sentence - a waste of resources?

[saasher2012]

Not if he's paying for it! It's his right to appeal but in his case it wasn't a grope so there is no comparison.
These historical grope cases are farcical, if it was a case of a serious sexual assault involving the bleep word I could understand it, & yes I agree no woman or man should have to put up with being groped but to harbour a grudge for this length of time is OTT !.

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It's probably a waste of time.  But, in fairness, someone appealing their own sentence is not the same as a random member of the public getting the hump with something triggering a review,

[tommy.irene]

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@cee-dee wrote:

I know that women shouldn't have to suffer "unwelcome attention" but after all this time, it's not reasonable to pursue these cases the way they have.

What really rankles is the way some (criminal) offenders are constantly being "let off" with idiotically lenient sentences but in comparison these historical cases are being pursued in such a way you'd think it was a mad axe murderer they were prosecuting.

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