Covid-19.

[cee-dee]

Reading and listening to the news reports about the spread of the virus, the common denominator seems to be travel?

Surely if travel was halted until the incidences of the virus have "died down", the spread to other countries wouldn't happen?

[cee-dee]

Where did you find that cheerful note?

[margaret*e]

Facebook.

[cee-dee]

Oh, I don't do FB.

[fallen-archie]

Why aren’t they telling us all to play the lottery? I guess it’s all about us being aware of the potential dangers and taking the necessary precautions! This from twitter

Rachael Swindon #UTFC
@Rachael_Swindon
Just heard a man call in to LBC, crying his heart out, because he doesn’t know what to do about Coronavirus. He’s got other health complications, but he just hasn’t got a clue on what to do, because his government haven’t offered him any guidance.

This is on you
@BorisJohnson

Quickly followed up by this:



Rachael Swindon #UTFC
@Rachael_Swindon
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2h
Everyone knows I struggle daily, I’m unable to work due to disability. I spend my time on here fighting for what I believe in. If you like what I do please consider supporting me with £2 it would mean everything to me xx

Need I say more?

[upthecreekyetagain]

I've seen all sorts of claims that you are more likely to die from flu, lightning strikes, drowning, falling down stairs and all sorts of unlikely scenarios. 

What is being missed however is that all those causes of death remain fairly static, whilst infection from Coronavirus is growing exponentially and has the potential to exceed the fatality rate of all those other causes by a magnitude of hundreds.

Coronavirus not only has the potential to damage individuals it also, unlike most other dangers, is likely to damage us all economically.

[cee-dee]

Charming comments from "a professor"?:-

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18284610.coronavirus-pandemic-clear-bed-blocking-people-taken-sy...

[upthecreekyetagain]

Comments that might not be very palatable.  Unfortunately though, also accurate.

[cee-dee]

Picture this:- You're lying there feeling really, really ill and you overhear medical staff talking about a patient nearby who's equally as ill as you with covid-19. "Hmmm, it's going to be a couple of weeks to get him over this, it'll cost a bomb too. If we let him go now he'll be out of here tomorrow and the bed'll be free. Tell you what, we might as well let that other old git over there go too and that'll be another bed free too."

You'd be dead pleased eh?

[upthecreekyetagain]

No - but that wasn't what Prof. Andrews was saying.

More along the lines of, "no matter what we do those two are unlikely to survive".

[cee-dee]

That's not the case though as only a proportion of elderly, previously weakened people peg it during treatment. The one's who've gone wouldn't have survived anyway even if they'd not got covid-19.

[upthecreekyetagain]

I agree but what the Prof. Is saying is that once the virus gets into care homes and hospitals then the most likely ones to die from it will be the weak and elderly - categories that most "bed blockers" fit in to.

[right-then-petal]

Got in a taxi today

taxi driver helped everyone in then told us he has to disinfect the taxi each time so we are safe

all items

seats handles class windows seat belts

i asked if he done the luggage's

he said no and promptly wash his hand in disinfectant

no masks and he breaths all over us

[cee-dee]

They might fit in to that category but by not helping them at all, they're really helping them on their way and you have to ask just where did they get the virus from = those in the hospital and the immediate hospital environs = did they come in with it or did they get it there?

[cee-dee]

Oooo-er, keep away from Petal, he's got it now. 

[upthecreekyetagain]

You're 'reading' something that wasn't written nor said!

Nowhere does the Prof. suggest that anyone wouldn't receive the appropriate level of care.

[cee-dee]

The implication is there. She sounds quite happy that "bed blockers" would be cleared by them pegging it and also she's calling them bed blockers as if they're deliberately staying there blocking a bed.

[cee-dee]

Here's a thought I've not seen mentioned:-

Some people have had the pneumonia vaccine, if they subsequently catch covid-19, will the pneumonia vaccine prevent the covid-19 developing pneumonia?

It seems that some people with the virus go on to develop pneumonia badly and die.

[upthecreekyetagain]

What else would you call them?

The name 'bed blocker' doesn't imply blame - it's simply a fact.

Far from being happy about the idea she is blaming politicians for not facing facts.

"She added: “That sounds like it’s a horrific thing to say – but it is the case that somehow or other, we’ve put people in the wrong places by not having the kind of strategic views that we should have.

“That means that politicians who don’t want to think about bad things before the election, need to think about putting income tax up even higher in order to pay for more care in care homes and they need to think about whether they reinstate geriatric hospitals.”

[cee-dee]

I think I'd call them what everyone else in hospital is called, a patient.

Just because they're "old" and ill and occupying a bed doesn't mean they're a "bed blocker". 

I'd define a "bed blocker" as someone who's refusing to either be moved or go home when they're perfectly able to do so.

[cee-dee]

Does this cover it?:-

https://fullfact.org/health/bed-blocking-what-it-and-it-paralysing-nhs/