Chilcot/Blair.

[cee-dee]

Is this issue turning in to another blame game?

Are people picking on an easy target again? Blair can be got at, the bombers and terrorists can't?

I don't care one bit for the grinning fool but after wasting 7 years and heck knows how much money, what's to be gained by Chilcot?

[margaret*e]

At 2.6 million words it's not exactly light reading.

 I just wonder if anyone it concerns will ever read it.

[john.b74]

Blaming Blair. Stopped Cameron getting away with starting another War.

[artful_dodgings]

He's just making a whimpering 'apology' on the BBC news bulletin now. A theatrical, straight from 'The Oscar Pistorius School of Acting'.

Sickening.

[joe_bloggs*]

The tearful sister of a dead soldier has branded Tony Blair "the world's worst terrorist" in response to today's Chilcot Report.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tearful-sister-dead-soldier-brands-8360297?ICID=FB_mirror_main

Blair: "I believe I made the right decision and the world is a better and safer place because of it."

What world ?,Uranus?

[theelench]

I'd bet Blair won't, nor will he care what it says.  Nothing will ever come of it.  He achieved his objective by becoming PM, loadsa money.  Bailed out of British politics ASAP  and got his payoff from the USA in the shape of a nebulous Middle East peace envoy or some such role, no doubt with another nice salary attached.

IMO he is, was and always will be a totally unprincipled mercenary.

The suffering of our troops or the Iraqis never entered his mind.

[fallen-archie]

There is another thread on here, poorly patronised yet far far more ruthless and questionable than Iraq. I refer to events on the Somme. Millions of soldiers sent knowingly to their deaths, no choice, no control, no questions asked. These were not just professional soldiers they were mainly conscripts.
In Iraq they were professional Soldiers and they should have been aware of the danger that entails. I have enormous sympathy for those who died or were injured, the war should not have taken place, hindsight is a great thing and we seem too ready to impose blame on an individual when we have given that person a mandate to govern. We must share the blame as should those in the stop the war coalition who are just as responsible for putting lives at risk in pursuit of narrow political goals.

[cee-dee]

Where ya been lately?

Anyway, if the troops on the Somme had been under the same restraints as those in Iraq, they'd never have gone "over the top".

The troops of all sorts in Iraq were fighting with one hand tied behind their back and that was due to holding back under similar restraints when they cleared out Kuwait. They were fighting people with no considerations of the rules of war and that still holds good today with IS and Al Qaeda.

The job should have been "done properly" instead of rushing to get out of there.

[upthecreekyetagain]

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@fallen-archie wrote:
There is another thread on here, poorly patronised yet far far more ruthless and questionable than Iraq. I refer to events on the Somme. Millions of soldiers sent knowingly to their deaths, no choice, no control, no questions asked. These were not just professional soldiers they were mainly conscripts.
In Iraq they were professional Soldiers and they should have been aware of the danger that entails. I have enormous sympathy for those who died or were injured, the war should not have taken place, hindsight is a great thing and we seem too ready to impose blame on an individual when we have given that person a mandate to govern. We must share the blame as should those in the stop the war coalition who are just as responsible for putting lives at risk in pursuit of narrow political goals.

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At the start of the Battle of the Somme the vast majority of soldiers in the British forces were volunteers keen to go 'over the top'.  They weren't reinforced with conscripts until the latter days of the battle.

[fallen-archie]

I wondered who would challenge that!

You are of course correct however at the time volunteering was the norm but it was driven by the government of the day and included such as the PALs of Northern England, Lets face it to go to war with your mates, neighbours, brothers, cousins etc must have made them feel less nervous and even invincible. But they were and they died, 

[evoman3957]

From what I gather from the history books, they were keen to go over the top; because they thought the days & days of constant bombardment, of the German trenches, had all but wiped them out............only to find that when they did go over the top, the Germans emerged from their trenches & fox holes; machine guns intact and mowed them down.  Once THAT was know, I don't think subsequent waves of troops were SO keen...........understandably.

[mikes*corvettes]

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@artful_dodgings wrote:

He's just making a whimpering 'apology' on the BBC news bulletin now. A theatrical, straight from 'The Oscar Pistorius School of Acting'.

Sickening.

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Seen that last night, took a lot of self control not to put my foot through the tv screen.

Pathetic excuse of a human being.

[evoman3957]

Unfortunately, our fellow man ( in the form of the great UN ) decided to make him an " Envoy " to promote peace talks in the middle east and plenty of others have employed him ( very lucratively may I add ) on the " Speaking " circuit.  I've ALWAYS believed in guilt by association and as I've said SO many times before, people who aren't part of the solution.......are part of the problem.......and there's a LOT of them.

[astrologica]

Is there a man so reviled by the people in this country? It seems to me that he has a Messiah delusion ...he really believes himself that he was in the right, and still continues to say so. The loss of those soldiers in the Iraq war, and the continual spectacle of the bodies of those fine young men being repatriated to this country and their families, should have brought him to shame, but there is no shame in that man. He is the very worst thing to happen to this country ever. His personal crusade to enforce multiculturalism on this country without any mandate from, or consultations with the people of this country has brought us to where we are now. A country with no go areas and ghettos. For me, that is equally as unforgivable as his taking us into an illegal war in Iraq. I would like to say that he should have a lot on his conscience, but it appears that he hasn't got one. 

[evoman3957]

..........and apparently he's a devout christian you know, is THAT worrying or what !!!

[mikes*corvettes]

He's such a devout Christian that in six years he ordered our troops in to action five times.

[fallen-archie]

Hi Astro, does his assertion of being a devout Christian somehow make any difference.? And what of devout Muslims or devout Hindus? Blair was elected by a popular mandate but like ALL who must make a choice he had his detractors. Ruthless minority's, anarchists, hard left trots, far right nazis. They were all there in Westminster. Usual face masks and blood stained hands, where do they come from? Did they throw a sickie or take holiday or are they unemployed? Seems to me that regardless of fact we have a society which seeks to apportion blame on everyone but themselves, Blair was like it or not our elected leader at the time, you may not have voted for him but millions did, just as people who voted to leave the EU in order to repatriate somali migrants. We all get things wrong but he made a decision and that's what we expect our elected members to do.

[joe_bloggs*]

BBC Question time should be a bit lively tonight,George Galloway is one of the panelists 

[mikes*corvettes]

Will be if they put a saucer of milk in front of Galloway and he starts purring like a cat again.

[artful_dodgings]

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@evoman3957 wrote:

Unfortunately, our fellow man ( in the form of the great UN ) decided to make him an " Envoy " to promote peace talks in the middle east and plenty of others have employed him ( very lucratively may I add ) on the " Speaking " circuit.  I've ALWAYS believed in guilt by association and as I've said SO many times before, people who aren't part of the solution.......are part of the problem.......and there's a LOT of them.

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Yes Evoman, I've heard that he's trousering an absolute fortune from this nice little earner. What I fail to understand though, is this:

1). Who are these people who book him - and pay him for the privilege ?

2). Who are the folk who are prepared to sit and listen to him droning on, and on, ad infinitum ?

3). How he has the effrontery and the audacity to face an audience...let alone the nerve ?

I suppose in respect of the last question, it all comes down to conscience and shame - neither of which he has.