Charlie Gard.

What's youir opinion on the controversy surrounding that poor lad?

 

Mine? All things considered, they should allow him to die. His brain's not develpoed so he won't be able to sustain life without life support so there's no prospect of any sort of "life".



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Charlie Gard.

I can see it from both sides, the parents think they're doing their best for him, but it's not going to be much of a life for any of them if he survives.

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Who is he? What is it about? Do you have a link for the story?

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Charlie Gard.

It's a very sad case. It seems to me that his parents are utterly selfish in wanting him to have a life where he won't be able to see , hear, feed himself, and do even some of the things a little boy should be able to do. He could be in pain...who knows... he can't even indicate that. They should think of the child, and let him go as peacefully as possible.

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Charlie Gard.

Where've you been? Not seen the headlines over the last few months?

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/search?q=charlie+gard



It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
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I don't think all that doom and gloom is good for me, so I rarely read the newspapers or watch the news.

 

What I find a problem in all this is that people who have a terminal illness do not have the right to die, but a baby will be taken off the life support machine while there might still be a chance no matter how small. People with terminal cancer (or other illness) die in pain and misery because no one will allow them to die with dignity............................

The baby can't show or tell if it has pain or not, so others will decide, but a terminal ill person can but again other people decide. There is something wrong here.

 

 

 

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Charlie Gard.

This from a Q&A page on the Great Ormonde Street Hospital website:

 

 

What is his condition?
Charlie’s condition is exceptionally rare. He suffers from an inherited mitochondrial disease called infantile onset encephalomyopathic mitochondrial DNA depletion syndrome, referred to generally as “MDDS”. Charlie suffers specifically from the RRM2B mutation of MDDS. 
 
Charlie’s brain, muscle and ability to breathe are all severely affected. In addition, Charlie has congenital deafness and a severe epilepsy disorder. Charlie's heart, liver and kidneys are also affected.
 
Charlie has severe progressive muscle weakness and cannot move his arms or legs or breathe unaided.  
 
Charlie's eyelids cannot stay open and his eyes point in different directions because of muscular weakness. Charlie’s retina would struggle to develop and his brainwaves suggest that he is not going to be able to lay down normal visual patterns that should be learned at an early age. Eyesight is not something you’re born with, it develops over time.
 
 
From the statements I've read by doctors both here and in the US, Charlie will never recover and only has a 10% chance of surviving the experimental surgery they intend to carry out. His condition is irreversible so I have to wonder who will benefit by prolonging his life.  Reading all the above symptoms, you can't even say it will a life of misery for him because he will never know anything about it.
 
A very sad case but  there really is no reason to keep him alive under such circumstances.
 
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Charlie Gard.

How can we begin to know what those poor parents have gone and are going through, very very wrong to accuse them of being selfish in my opinion.

 

Was it right to put him on life support in the first place?

 

Everyone has a right to live, everyone has a right to a dignified trauma free end to their life.

 

It is such a hard thing to have to deal with either way. In my opinion it just shows us how vulnerable and incapable mankind is.

 

Survival of the fittest!!!  Is that fair at all?  Survive but with immense problems!!!!  Where's the fairness in that ????? We will never ever solve those problems ourselves.

 

 

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Charlie Gard.

Very well put Busty! I have no idea what the parents are going through and am not here to judge them, what I can say is that were i in their shoes I too would wish to cling to any hope that might exist to improve the life of my child and I suspect they are the same, almost certainly asking themselves what might be around the corner in terms of scientific progress etc etc.I think they should be allowed to seek treatment overseas if that is possible, if nothing else it might help other cases in the future and they could therefore say that his short life was not entirely in vain.  

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Charlie Gard.

You are quite right Busty...everyone has a right to life...LIFE! What Charlie has and is likely to have as long as he lives, is not a life...it is an existence. I still hold the view that his parents are showing a degree of selfishness in wanting the child to exist, in that condition. All experts in the case have voiced the opinion that he is severely brain damaged. He would live in a dark and silent world, not being able to move. Imagine.....never to hear fine music, or a bird singing. Never to see the beautiful sun rise or set, or a lovely flower or a fine painting. All these things enrich us as human beings, so what will enrich Charlie's life? Nothing. I totally understand why his parents want to do their best for him, he is a very beautiful child...but his prognosis is very bleak. Sometimes we as humans have to admit to ourselves that life does not always turn out as we wish. He probably should not have been placed on a ventilator, with the prognosis that he has. Sometimes Mother Nature does know best and she should be allowed to decide....and in that case Charlie would have slipped away some time ago.  I do agree that Charlie's parents should be allowed to take him to America, and then any outcome would be in their hands, and GOSH absolved of any responsibility. If they are refused and he does die, I would imagine there would be demonstrations etc,....there have already been threats to hospital staff.

I don't have a religious faith so the 'sanctity of life' concept doesn't apply in my view. I am of the view that quality of life, and the enjoyment of life, is the important thing...and Charlie would have neither.

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Charlie Gard.

I agree with most of what you say except "allowing" him to be taken to America. Unless they're going to do a head transplant, what would a trip there achieve except absolving GOSH of any further responsibility?



It's life Jim, but not as WE know it.
Live long and prosper.

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Charlie Gard.

That's exactly the point CeeDee....GOSH has taken a lot of flak over this case. The treatment that is offered is experimental and doesn't hold out a chance of a cure. Ideally the original court decision should stand and the little one should be allowed to die peacefully. But the parents would probably still fight any decision that goes against them, as it has become such a high profile case. It would not be good if there were to be more demonstrations and threats against the hospital. I don't know.......maybe they should say 'here he is..he is yours.You have the money...see if you can save him'. It will have to be a very wise judge to decide this one.

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Charlie Gard.

Incidentally.....I'm sure I remember hearing that they have another child besides Charlie...if that is the case then that child is missing out somewhere too.

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Charlie Gard.

I really do understand the parents wanting to grasp anything at all in the hope their Charlie can be helped in any way possible. Nothing wrong in that as of course from the start they were not to know, nor were the medical staff, how all would go for Charlie when he was first admitted to hospital.

 

But I feel if the Judge decides finally that it is for the best to allow Charlie to have end of life care, Charlie's parents know they tried everything they could. Nothing more they could have done. Then I hope they will be granted their wishes in taken Charlie home to pass away in their loving arms. 

 

My heart goes out to the staff at GOSH, who have had all those menacing death threats and abusive messages. I can only imagine how they all feel. Dreadful too I expect they will be thinking ''What will come our way if it eventually is decided it is for the best Charlie is allowed to slip away''. 

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Charlie Gard.

I just came across this while reading more about little Charlie. 

 

Quote: '' Charlie is their first and only child whom they love so dearly''.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4721964/Charlie-Gard-protesters-rally-hospital-reports-threa...

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Charlie Gard.

Thank you for that Littleme..that clears that up.

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Charlie Gard.

He may well be beyond help, but it doesn't seem right that his parents have lost the right to take him anywhere.

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Charlie Gard.

Sadly a poor little mite, that became a 'Cause' for the extremisits in the pro-life/Religious brigade and Right wing loons in the States.

 

 

One to push their fundamentalist views down everyone else's throats and the other as some weird argument against 'Socialist' Health care 

 

 

Also surely something can be done about these Ambulance/Grief chasing Law Firms (Pro-bono or not)

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Charlie Gard.

Why don't they disconnect all the support equipment and let the Supreme Doctor make the ultimate decision?

 

Life is a gift from God, it is His to give and to take.

 

If He wishes Charlie to live he will - if not his soul will return to the place from whence it came.

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Charlie Gard.

I think the parents did want to take him home to die, but GOSH refused this.
Makes you wonder why GOSH are so adamant that Charlie remain and die under their roof. Is there another agenda going on.
It was suggested in another forum, that GOSH had been offered a large sum of money by some pharmaceutical company for his unusual brain stem.

 

As Charlie is terminally ill, what will happen when he does die?
Will the parents be allowed to take him away to be buried, or will GOSH fight that too.

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