30-03-2016 9:51 AM
When it was announced that TaTa ( Indian ) Steel, was going to close the Steel works at Port Talbot and possibly sell off ALL its Steel interests in the UK; putting ( potentially ) 15000 people out of work..........I HAD A VISION !!
Stop the overseas aid budget to INDIA and plough the money into the Steel Industry, I'd make them pay.......one way or another.
China's meteoric rise, to compete for top spot as the World's leading economy, was accompanied by an equally meteoric building programme. Among other things, this included steel plants; being built at the rate of one every couple of months or so. This made China self sufficient in Steel and CHEAP Steel ( due to extremely low production costs, compared to other Countries ) with Steel workers earning £50 to £100 per week. Hardly a level playing field now is it !! , however; had that steel remained in China, it would only have excluded that one market as an outlet for other Steel producers........annoying as it would have been, others would have survived. BUT, as China's economy has slowed dramatically ( including its building programmes ) it finds itself well overstocked with its own cheap steel........which it has now dumped onto the Worlds markets.
As we all know that the UK is NEVER going to be able to compete, with certain other Countries, when it comes to production costs; our main strengths lie in industries that are more advanced than other countries.......and therefore gives us the edge. One has to ask, however, that if our trade hinges so strongly on remaining in the EU.........How is all this cheap CHINESE Steel finding its way in. When did China join the EU ?? did I blink and miss something..........Add to that the fact that we didn't need the EU to negotiate THAT trade deal, did we, I'm sure we could have done that ALL BY OURSELVES.![]()
01-04-2016 7:49 PM
Another observation - the issue about the import of cheap lower grade steel from China could have been blocked within the EU, but hey - guess which nation vetoed the proposal?
Rememer the days when cars had a shelf life of about years when they rusted to pieces around you.
There's a lot more to this going on behind the scenes than is apparent and I wouldn't trust this government as far as I could chuck an egg at them, and my throwing skills are pretty lousy these days.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/exporting-to-china/exporting-to-china
guess the goverment is looking at the bigger picture, also fully agree with Creeky for once
02-04-2016 7:30 AM - edited 02-04-2016 7:33 AM
LATEST NEWS -
CHINA imposes large tariffs on special British Steel
Sound like an April Fools joke, maybe, but it is TRUE
Cameron is told by Chinese leader yesterday, we'll talk about this in a few months time -
so much for being one of their 'close' pals Dave
02-04-2016 8:09 AM
re last post
'in a few months' actually means 5 months
02-04-2016 2:46 PM - edited 02-04-2016 2:47 PM
Yes, I did kind of think that was a bit of a P take when I heard it. There's our government **bleep** footing around, trying not to upset the Chinese and our various trade agreements with them and Chinese slap a 46% tariff on our steel; just after TaTa announce they're pulling the plug..........talk about not knowing who your friends are.......truly pathetic.
I did hear somebody on TV ,yesterday, implying that TaTa only bought Port Talbot and the other plants; to get access to the technology of how to made high grade steel......now they've found out, they are dumping them and taking the technology back to India; to make it cheaper.
02-04-2016 3:44 PM
02-04-2016 6:42 PM
One factor that makes a massive difference to the finished price of steel and doesn't seem to have been mentioned is the location of the raw material needed to make steel - iron ore. Tata own massive iron ore mines but they are in India - China also have huge mines, in China.
Our steel industry has to buy ore and ship it half way round the world.
02-04-2016 6:50 PM
Dont know if recycled metal effects that creeky, but there is almost no market for that either, least the manhole covers will last a bit longer.
Read today that Tata may form an alliance with a German Steel Manufacturer, Thyssenkrupp AG and that they needed to clean up their portfolio.