Brexit

[guitarsandwoods]

Hello everyone,

I searched the forums about this and did not find anything, and I believe it is an interesting subject to dscuss, as the referendum approaches.

I know it can be a touchy subject, but I wonder what your thoughts about it? Will it change in any way the relationship with the European Union? Can this subject harm or benefit your business?

Disclaimer: I am not interested in anything political side of the issue, only the economic side.

Thank you.

[mintsource3000]

yes, that was what I meant , just did not put that bit..

[brandyknackers]

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@guitarsandwoods wrote:

Hello everyone,

I searched the forums about this and did not find anything, and I believe it is an interesting subject to dscuss, as the referendum approaches.

I know it can be a touchy subject, but I wonder what your thoughts about it? Will it change in any way the relationship with the European Union? Can this subject harm or benefit your business?

Disclaimer: I am not interested in anything political side of the issue, only the economic side.

Thank you.

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It won't make any difference to my business either way. People buy my products because they want to, not because of my politics. I was an adult when we went into the common market, as I was at the last (so called referendum). Politicians tell lies and it's the nature of the job to feather their own nests, so my advice is to go with your gut feeling.

[brandyknackers]

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@guitarsandwoods wrote:

Hello everyone,

I searched the forums about this and did not find anything, and I believe it is an interesting subject to dscuss, as the referendum approaches.

I know it can be a touchy subject, but I wonder what your thoughts about it? Will it change in any way the relationship with the European Union? Can this subject harm or benefit your business?

Disclaimer: I am not interested in anything political side of the issue, only the economic side.

Thank you.

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It won't make any difference to my business either way. People buy my products because they want to, not because of my politics. I was an adult when we went into the common market, as I was at the last (so called referendum). Politicians tell porkies and it's the nature of the job to feather their own nests, so my advice is to go with your gut feeling.

[Anonymous]

Well worth saying twice.  IMO.      

[brandyknackers]

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@Anonymous wrote:

Well worth saying twice.  IMO.      

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Ebay didn't post it the first time, hence the second go

[Anonymous]

Take the praise for yourself - ebays error is your gain  (for once)   

[corred]

I have said before I'm a Eurosceptic

BUT

We have become & our economy is entwined in 43 years of membership of the EU

It is my opinion that leaving would be a total step in the dark.......my fear is that such a step may be a step off the edge of a precipice without a rope to hold onto.....pto Brexit campaigners will say we can negotiate.....but that is again not guaranteed

We no longer have an Empire to trade with....our biggest trading partner is currently negotiating a trade deal with the EU which will make them a far more attractive prospect than the UK

In the event of  leave vote there is a very good chance there will be an instant call for a new independence vote in Scotlans as their politicians are clear that they wish to remain in the EU & will not allow Westminster to take them out......a vote this time is likely to be to split from the UK ...... so we might just end up with England, Wales & NI

On an economic basis the IMF have said it will be a bad idea to leave

The Bank of England say it will be a bad idea to leave

The Treasury say it will be a bad idea to leave

The G7 say that it will be a bad idea to leave & the instability could push global economies into another global crisis

But of course the Brexit brigade will say this is scaremongering.....

In order to trade within the EU we will have to abide by rules set by the EU....rules over which we would no longer have any influence.........I believe the best way to change the EU is from within .....we have more allies than people think.....including France who oppose futher political integration.......

[terry6082]

I'm voting to stay in. I think leaving will lead to a sharp drop in the pound, putting up inflation and making foreign holidays much more expensive. 

[Anonymous]

Who wants to holiday in a place that will not even buy our stuff?      

I'll spend my money here then.

[mikes*corvettes]

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@corred wrote:

On an economic basis the IMF have said it will be a bad idea to leave

The Bank of England say it will be a bad idea to leave

The Treasury say it will be a bad idea to leave

The G7 say that it will be a bad idea to leave & the instability could push global economies into another global crisis

But of course the Brexit brigade will say this is scaremongering.....

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And of course these four examples don't have their own  agenda for saying this, especially the second and third in your list.

When we leave, do you honestly think that for example Germany is going to refuse to sell us their cars because we're not in the EU, all business is about supply and demand if we have the money and they the goods they will trade with us and vice versa.

We were around and prospered a long time before all this nonsense started and we will be around and prosper a long time after it has gone to the wall.

[bristolsoapmaker]

The EU will still trade with us, undoubtedly. But maybe not in as such a favourable way they do now, and I personally think it's naive to just assume that things would end up in our favour.

Who knows? In a few weeks we'll have an idea about whether or not our economy is going to spiral downwards for some time or not.

All any of us can do is to vote for what we think is best and hope we don't get it wrong.

[Anonymous]

Does not matter how you vote.

They will do what they want to do and tell you it is for the best.

By 'them' I mean the real ones that rule the country (and the rest of the world) - not our puppets.

Just my opinion of course.    

A bit conspiracy theory I think but it may as well be.     

[bristolsoapmaker]

haha

I did read that and wonder if I needed to fetch Mulder and Scully 😉

[Anonymous]

I am a very matter of fact sort of person.

So when I hear that we have a huge national debt and America has a huge debt it makes me wonder where the money came from and to whom it is owed?

How can you be the richest country on the planet and have a huge debt?

Surely the people you owe it to are the richest.

A bit naive undoubtedly but  debts are owed to someone - are they not?

[terry6082]

Debts are owed to someone, yes. But any of us with the money can buy £100 of uk gilts, issued by the Bank of England, tomorrow. We would then be owed £100 by the uk, with a promise to pay in the future. But we would not be rich.

[lettie0261]

The referendum is to leave the EU......NOT Europe.

So many people confusing the 2, bless.

[lettie0261]

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@bristolsoapmaker wrote:

The EU will still trade with us, undoubtedly. But maybe not in as such a favourable way they do now, and I personally think it's naive to just assume that things would end up in our favour.

Who knows? In a few weeks we'll have an idea about whether or not our economy is going to spiral downwards for some time or not.

All any of us can do is to vote for what we think is best and hope we don't get it wrong.

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And do you seriously think that the EU will NOT punish us for daring to have a referendum?

What that space.........

[notinbidensgarage]

It costs £33,000,000 a week to be in, plus the fortune we pay to Euro MP's who constantly fiddle their expenses.

Only someone with no common sense or a basic understanding of maths would vote to stay in.

The first thing our former enemies will do is change us into a republic, disolve the monarchy.

Then they will open the floodgates to the Turks, who will send us all the refugees.

Once they have done this they will snigger behind their hands saying,

"You won both wars but lost the peace, you are now as wealthy as Estonia ha ha ha".

Anyone who had family fight and lose their lives in WWI & WWII should be insulted by the EU.

Build up the Commonwealth again, trade with Canada, Australia, New Zealand, india, Brazil, gosh even China and let Britannia rule once more.

[bristolsoapmaker]

I think that 'punish' is the wrong term, but I believe it will damage relationships, yes.

If we leave, however, I think the outcome would be a lot worse - and I don't think it's going to end up in our favour. That's just my opinion and my belief.

As I have said right from the start and have maintained throughout: I'd be more convinced by and willing to listen to the Leave campaign if anyone had turned around and said "This is the plan, and on Day 1 (x) will happen...". All I feel I have read and heard, however, is "We have no idea what will happen - we just don't like the EU because of 1-2-3...".

The thing I find most ironic about the whole situation is that the UK was a major driving force in establishing and imposing the EU on Europe - including the ECHR.

I personally don't think my grandfather fought in the war and suffered PTSD to his dying day just so we could throw it away. But again, that's just my opinion...

[bristolsoapmaker]

I can tell you where the money goes: secret underground bases, alien technology, and tin-foil hats. lol 😉