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haryinprague · ‎15-10-2014

I see it's being suggested for parts of London. The start of something bigger I hope, though I am sure the smokers think it's the beginning of the end of the World.

lambsy_uk · ‎16-10-2014

@Anonymous wrote:
I'm a smoker and while having a lovely fag at this moment I'm looking trough the smokefog and like to point out that communicating with someone who only registered on the 14-10-2014 and has zero feedback is a pointless exercise.

I disagree, I am quite happy to discuss with anyone; they have done so in a pretty reasonable manner alhough some of the terms used are a bit provocative.

astrologica · ‎16-10-2014

Lambsy..how do you know that your children won't be smoking? I don't know how old they are at the moment, but with the best will in the world, you cannot be absolutely sure that they will never smoke. It seems like you are a very responsible parent, doing your best to get your children ready for the big wide world. I think you were a bit hard on B hGardeners..she is also doing her best, and it's not for you to say that she was incompetent or that her parenting was not good enough. You don't know her circumstances, or where she lives. Keeping children on the straight and narrow may be more difficult where she lives. You have probably been very fortunate up until now, but no-one knows what will happen in their families. I have never smoked a cigarette in my life....never wanted to. I tried hard with my girls, but both of them smoke now. They were brought up in the valleys of South Wales, a very deprived area, and have never gone off the rails or been in trouble. And if smoking is the worst thing they ever do then I will pat myself on the back and say 'Well done'. So Lambsy...you might have control of them now, but it won't always be so. Whether they smoke or not won't depend on what you have drummed into them,but on their personalities and whether they want to smoke or not.

electric*mayhem*band · ‎16-10-2014

@lambsy_uk wrote:

As for giving up; it is not a struggle, it is all excuses, if one wants to give up smoking it's as easy as turning off a light!
Really ? Is that what you think ? If it was so simple, and all that was required would be for the smoker not to buy any more cigarettes, there wouldn't be so many NHS help available in a Non Smoking capacity, both on-line, and in clinics and surgeries. There'd be no need for all the patches, gum, Champix tablets, fake ciggies, etc, on the market, to aid people in giving up smoking. Be interesting to know if you've ever smoked. If you have and gave up without any help whatsoever as it was an easy exercise on your part, then all credit to you. You are unique. If you haven't smoked, then I fail to see how you are qualified to make such a sweeping statement.

I do actually know a couple of people who did give up the weed without the necessity for help from any quarter, but both readily agree that it was in no way easy. Not even a Doctor would subscribe to your theory, that 'it's as easy as turning off a light' !

Anonymous · ‎16-10-2014

I blame the Red Indians.

lambsy_uk · ‎16-10-2014

@astrologica wrote:
Lambsy..how do you know that your children won't be smoking? I don't know how old they are at the moment, but with the best will in the world, you cannot be absolutely sure that they will never smoke. It seems like you are a very responsible parent, doing your best to get your children ready for the big wide world. I think you were a bit hard on B hGardeners..she is also doing her best, and it's not for you to say that she was incompetent or that her parenting was not good enough. You don't know her circumstances, or where she lives. Keeping children on the straight and narrow may be more difficult where she lives. You have probably been very fortunate up until now, but no-one knows what will happen in their families. I have never smoked a cigarette in my life....never wanted to. I tried hard with my girls, but both of them smoke now. They were brought up in the valleys of South Wales, a very deprived area, and have never gone off the rails or been in trouble. And if smoking is the worst thing they ever do then I will pat myself on the back and say 'Well done'. So Lambsy...you might have control of them now, but it won't always be so. Whether they smoke or not won't depend on what you have drummed into them,but on their personalities and whether they want to smoke or not.

My children will not be smoking while they are children; while they are my responsibility. Later in life it could happen though I expect it to be less likely with them than others. While they are children I am responsible and while I am responsible they will not be smoking. How do I achieve this; it's all about the relationship I have with them!

My earlier post may have hit hard but I'm someone who accepts my responsibilities and all that comes with it, that's the credit and the criticism. I can't be proud when people say they are a credit to me if I shun responsibility when they act out of character! A competent parent fully accepts the duty and responsibility, an incompetent parent makes excuses an says they had done their best and it wasn't their fault. It is not so much about being a good or bad parent it is about the buck stopping with you, the parent, end of! Don't shirk it, embrace it!

I do appreciate circumstances may differ and that I may be more fortunate than others, but my circumstances are mainly by design rather than fortune.

I agree when you say "if smoking is the worst thing they get up to", if my girls turn out to be decent citizens with a worthy contribution to society, but they smoke, my job will be done, but it will only be done when they reach adulthood. If they smoked before that I would have failed.

You may also be right regarding their personalities taking preference over anything I've drummed into them, but then you see I haven't done much drumming-in but I have had a massive influence on their personalities!

lambsy_uk · ‎16-10-2014

@electric*mayhem*band wrote:
@lambsy_uk wrote:

As for giving up; it is not a struggle, it is all excuses, if one wants to give up smoking it's as easy as turning off a light!
Really ? Is that what you think ? If it was so simple, and all that was required would be for the smoker not to buy any more cigarettes, there wouldn't be so many NHS help available in a Non Smoking capacity, both on-line, and in clinics and surgeries. There'd be no need for all the patches, gum, Champix tablets, fake ciggies, etc, on the market, to aid people in giving up smoking. Be interesting to know if you've ever smoked. If you have and gave up without any help whatsoever as it was an easy exercise on your part, then all credit to you. You are unique. If you haven't smoked, then I fail to see how you are qualified to make such a sweeping statement.
I do actually know a couple of people who did give up the weed without the necessity for help from any quarter, but both readily agree that it was in no way easy. Not even a Doctor would subscribe to your theory, that 'it's as easy as turning off a light' !

I have smoked, did so for about 10 years between the age of 20 and 30. At no point did I struggle if I didn't have cigarettes, I could go days without having one and get some when I felt like it, at the weekend perhaps. Sometimes I'd smoke 40 in a day if I was at a music festival or such, other times I may smoke 10, 5 or none. Then the time came to give them up all together and so I did, no problem, no assistance, no crutch, just stopped! Turned the light off.

It is all in the mind. people don't need patches they need to grow a pair and take control. There's a whole industry out there peddling aids to stop smoking because they have a ready customer base of weak-willed sheep who can't take control of their own life and so love to proclaim how hard it is so they have an excuse for their next failure!

Funny how so much on this thread is about making excuses!

And yes I am unique, I am not normal; as I said earlier normality is nothing worth striving for; be unique, don't run with the crowd, don't follow the sheep; take control, now that is liberating!!!

fallen-archie · ‎16-10-2014

Bit like Monkey see Monkey do 🙂

fallen-archie · ‎16-10-2014

Refers Tia comment on page 2

bookhunter2007 · ‎16-10-2014

@lambsy_uk wrote:
Smokers already pay heavy taxes and have changed their behaviour for the sake of those around them, I however see no reason to remove any possible influence they may have on the habits of children when this is the parent's responsibility!

Problem with that is when "other" parents have an influence. e..g One of my pet hates are when parents hang around school gates smoking. Creating a) a cloud of smoke that children have to walk through b) A dossy image, that becomes normalised to children.

Banning smoking in parks is going too far imo, but when a few parents undertake the irresponsible act of smoking outside school gates, Nanny sometimes has to step in:

http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/education/smoking-ban-at-school-gates-1-5816394

lambsy_uk · ‎17-10-2014

@bookhunter2007 wrote:
Problem with that is when "other" parents have an influence. e..g One of my pet hates are when parents hang around school gates smoking. Creating a) a cloud of smoke that children have to walk through b) A dossy image, that becomes normalised to children.

Banning smoking in parks is going too far imo, but when a few parents undertake the irresponsible act of smoking outside school gates, Nanny sometimes has to step in:
http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/education/smoking-ban-at-school-gates-1-5816394

I'm with you there Booky, with schools being places dedicated to children, their welfare and education I believe a smoking ban anywhere near the premises would be a good thing. Here much of the problem is the groups that form and the image it portrays; smoking as a social activity to take up with friends and acquaintances.