Banning smoking in public places.

I see it's being suggested for parts of London. The start of something bigger I hope, though I am sure the smokers think it's the beginning of the end of the World.

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@joamur_gosof wrote:

The prime objective here does not appear to be to stop littering (there are hefty penalties in place for doing that) it's to make the outside a healthy place for folks lungs...

 


No, the prime objective is not to influence children to take up smoking.

 

An objective which should be the remit of the parents, in my opinion!

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 I want a gov to ban it altogether without raising any other taxes ,preferably the loss to be taken out of their wages or don't get involved in it at all as it isn't a governing issue on any level to any stretch of any imagination .

 

It has not been proved beyond doubt yet also that smoking causes all the problems they say it causes,,it just seems to be a western world phenomenon,I am open to info though that proves beyond doubt it does.

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@lambsy_uk wrote:

@joamur_gosof wrote:

The prime objective here does not appear to be to stop littering (there are hefty penalties in place for doing that) it's to make the outside a healthy place for folks lungs...

 


No, the prime objective is not to influence children to take up smoking.

 

An objective which should be the remit of the parents, in my opinion!


Where please have you got the prime objective of banning smoking in london is to not influence kids?

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BBC website and various news reports.

 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-29625451

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Well I read it was to make London the healthy 'capitol' of the world,I will check that out .

Thank you

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Also here:

 

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2793232/ban-smoking-public-parks-england-s-senior-doctor-war...

 

 

 

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/oct/15/boris-johnson-advised-ban-london-parks

 

, “so I welcome any measures to reduce both active smoking and its role-modelling in front of children.

 

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/major-new-health-report-ban-smoking-in-londons-public-...

 

"Parks and outdoor spaces should be healthy environments for people of all ages to enjoy. Smoke free outdoor spaces will help de-normalise smoking in our society by reducing the number of smoking role models for children.”

 

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 it's to make the outside a healthy place for folks lungs...which if you think about it is nonsense as if that is the aim the list of things to stop is huge as is being pointed out.

 

It's not a nonsense at all. Yes of course the smokers are pointing at anything and everything to try and divert attention from them, they always do. The fact of the matter is, if I am sat on a wall enjoying the touristy thing, the only thing that will be an outright assault on my nostrils is the guy who sits down three feet away and lights up.

 

One thing I know for sure about smokers is they apparently have no idea how offensive their uncontained  habit can be to other people, usually dismissing us as fussy fanatics. No, you're wrong. You smell awful, in the right circumstances it makes us smell awful,  and that is before we even get on to the possible health effects of breathing your drugs and chemicals.

 

Oh but it's all ok. Look, a bus! 🙂

 

As to parental responsibility when it comes to smoking, it is a proven fact with no  room for doubt that the children of smoking parents are more likely to end up addicted themselves. It's no good Mummy telling her little darling that smoking is evil, bad, nasty, not good for the health because it all sort of goes out of the window when they puff their way through a pack a day while apparently enjoying it immensely. Poor kid cannot know that the only real enjoyment is relief from the self inflicted monkey on the back.

 

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I believe it is about de-normalising smoking and having less smoking role models, thus promoting London as a healthy city. Not really about smoky outdoor environments or the health effects of smoking outdoors.

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http://www.larnetimes.co.uk/news/local-news/would-you-throw-away-163-210-1-1703285

Larne Council is hoping that cases like this send out a strong and clear message to the public that any form of littering will not be tolerated and that those who persist in dropping litter will be dealt with. "It can be anything from flicking away a cigarette butt to throwing away a bag of household rubbish," explained Council officer, Chris McAuley.
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My kids don't smoke I do,so the role model kids don't stand a chance argument is nonsense full stop,

 

The de normalizing smoking in society is all well and good 'if it is proved beyond doubt to cause what they say;it has never been yet'

 

but to the point,I have no problem with parks becoming smoke free ,car free ,litter free enviroments non at all

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Exactly, it's about de-normalising smoking as much as anything else. There really is nothing normal about smoking and never has been and it's about time it was treated for what it is.

 

Again, I'm not for banning, I'm for banning the way so many smokers feel it's perfectly OK to share their drug addiction with me.

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@joamur_gosof wrote:

My kids don't smoke I do,so the role model kids don't stand a chance argument is nonsense full stop,

 

The de normalizing smoking in society is all well and good 'if it is proved beyond doubt to cause what they say;it has never been yet'

 

but to the point,I have no problem with parks becoming smoke free ,car free ,litter free enviroments non at all


Well yes, if anyone's chidren were choosing some stranger in the park as a role model I'd suggest there was a wider and more serious problem!

 

I personally don't get this attack on all things unhealthy or not good for you (supposedly). We see a constant crusade to promote good health and prolong life; why? As long as the taxes collected are outweighing the cost of related illness then let them get on with it.

 

Why should we always be looking for the next gain in health benefits?!

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My kids don't smoke I do,so the role model kids don't stand a chance argument is nonsense full stop.

 

It would be nonsense if it was said. The forum habit of putting words in peoples mouths and then berating them with those words is an old and annoying one. 😉

 

Yes, they do stand a chance of avoiding picking up the smoking disease in childhood, just less chance than those of none smoking parents.

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I'm not for banning them smoking, I am for banning them from casually sharing their drug addiction with me when I'm out and about.

 

As a paragliding motorcycling Arctic trekker with a love of a good curry, the idea of banning anything dangerous or unhealthy does not sit well with me.

 

Thing is, I don't share any of my unhealthy or dangerous habits with unwilling participants. Not even the curry. 😉

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The way it's forced upon the populace is the problem isn't it,as proved right here all govs need to do is say ''what do you all think of this'' and let people decide as they are capable of agreeing a compramise that suits without any stormtrooping .

That's what I fooly believed a gov was for when I was born .

Thanks for the discussion ..........gotta ave a fag lol

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It has not been proved beyond doubt yet also that smoking causes all the problems they say it causes,,it just seems to be a western world phenomenon,I am open to info though that proves beyond doubt it does.

 

The effects of cigarettes on human health has been studied intensively for decades. The list of health problems it causes are endless and to be honest, I am actually surprised to read your post. Even the most committed smokers I know are now in no doubt that what they are doing is self-destructive, will damage their health with only the degree in doubt, and has a very good chance of killing them.

 

Really, I'm very surprised to read that.

 

If you are open to info....http://www.patient.co.uk/health/smoking-the-facts

 

Of course, there will always be some who will dismiss this as scaremongering to stop them having their little pleasure. Fine, I don't care if these people wish to bury their head in the sand, just don't expect to share that muck with me without complaint.

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@haryinprague wrote:

Exactly, it's about de-normalising smoking as much as anything else. There really is nothing normal about smoking and never has been and it's about time it was treated for what it is.

 


I don't have a problem with it being normal for some just as long as it's not normal for me or my family. Same goes for unhealthy diets, watching too much TV, excesive alcohol consumption or taking part in extreme sports.

 

They all come with associated risks and issues but I don't feel they impinge on me in any way so I'm not bothered. If we have a large number in society who are overweight unhealthy smoking couch potatoes that's fine as long as my family is not taking part!

 

I guess governments and health organisations feel they have a collective responsibility for the good of society as a whole but I wish they were a bit better at how they carry out their roles. If kids have bad role models at home do they remove them from the environment?; not usually, so why impinge on the rest of us for their sake. Find policies that only effect the target audience rather than everyone!

 

I don't like the way tax is used as a deterent but at least in the case of smoking it hits the target directly. But then there's suggestions to levy alcohol and certain foods; well there's a lot of responsible people who enjoy alcohol and a bit of food indulgence from time to time, why should they pay for the sake of the gluttons and alcoholics?!

 

Smokers already pay heavy taxes and have changed their behaviour for the sake of those around them, I however see no reason to remove any possible influence they may have on the habits of children when this is the parent's responsibility!

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People might smoke a lot, have for a long time and all their friends may smoke too, but I can never use the word "normal" to describe what they do. There can be nothing normal about getting yourself addicted and regularly sucking on a hells brew of carcinogenic chemicals.

 

Much tak about bus fumes.....

 

Two years back a party of four of us tackled the Kungsleden trail in the Arctic mountains. One of our party had been battling to give up smoking for 6 months prior, and mostly failing. Swore he would not take cigarettes with him on the trail. So there we are, at a convergence of two snow melt rivers going over a waterfall. The sky was crystal blue, the low scrub trees in full leaf, the air so clean the visibility seemed to go on to the curvature of the earth, the water tasted delicious, no need for purification. Just drink it direct.

 

It was magical. almost spiritual, and then it hit us. The stench of a blaardy cigarette coming from the low scrub where he clearly thought nobody would ever know, or care. In fact all three of the party were furious at his stink ruining the moment and I went over to where he obviously was, just in time to see him flick that fag end in to the river. When I said "well, that fag end or at least a dilution of all the poisons it contains will now likely end up in someones water bottle", he said "I never thought, just habit".

 

Cleanest air in the World, cleanest water in the world, and one smoker in the habit of just flicking his fag end anywhere he fancied.

 

He's given up now, pretty much forced to by a new girlfriend. I mentioned that incident to him only a couple of weeks back. He said he was horrified by his own thoughtlessness and had no idea just how offensive cigarette smoke was to others (no matter how many times he was told) until he had given up for over a year, then he understood. And that is the problem, all the while they smoke they will never know.

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I'm a smoker and while having a lovely fag at this moment I'm looking trough the smokefog and like to point out that communicating with someone who only registered on the 14-10-2014 and has zero feedback is a pointless exercise. Smiley Tongue

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@haryinprague wrote:

People might smoke a lot, have for a long time and all their friends may smoke too, but I can never use the word "normal" to describe what they do. There can be nothing normal about getting yourself addicted and regularly sucking on a hells brew of carcinogenic chemicals.

 

Much tak about bus fumes.....

 

Two years back a party of four of us tackled the Kungsleden trail in the Arctic mountains. One of our party had been battling to give up smoking for 6 months prior, and mostly failing. Swore he would not take cigarettes with him on the trail. So there we are, at a convergence of two snow melt rivers going over a waterfall. The sky was crystal blue, the low scrub trees in full leaf, the air so clean the visibility seemed to go on to the curvature of the earth, the water tasted delicious, no need for purification. Just drink it direct.

 

It was magical. almost spiritual, and then it hit us. The stench of a blaardy cigarette coming from the low scrub where he clearly thought nobody would ever know, or care. In fact all three of the party were furious at his stink ruining the moment and I went over to where he obviously was, just in time to see him flick that fag end in to the river. When I said "well, that fag end or at least a dilution of all the poisons it contains will now likely end up in someones water bottle", he said "I never thought, just habit".

 

Cleanest air in the World, cleanest water in the world, and one smoker in the habit of just flicking his fag end anywhere he fancied.

 

He's given up now, pretty much forced to by a new girlfriend. I mentioned that incident to him only a couple of weeks back. He said he was horrified by his own thoughtlessness and had no idea just how offensive cigarette smoke was to others (no matter how many times he was told) until he had given up for over a year, then he understood. And that is the problem, all the while they smoke they will never know.


Well I say being normal is nothing much to aspire to! If somking is abnormal then so be it, I could never argue conformity as a reason not to do something. As for smokling in and littering the wilderness yes that was a very thoughtless thing to do, but it says something of the individual and the habit of littering more than anything else.

 

As for giving up; it is not a struggle, it is all excuses, if one wants to give up smoking it's as easy as turning off a light!

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