05-09-2017 4:37 PM
The holidays are over, the kids are back in school, and Parliament is back in Westminster. Brexit is likely to dominate the proceedings there. This morning, Vince Cable was on TV discussing Brexit, and in his view there should, and will be a second referendum. His view is that another referendum would be a 'first ' referendum, because new facts have come to light, and we would be voting with different information.
What do you good people think of a second referendum, or a second vote on the final agreement? If there were to be another vote, would you vote differently from last time?
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06-09-2017 6:29 PM
'something' is different to 'someone' dahlinks
07-09-2017 12:44 PM - edited 07-09-2017 12:45 PM
No, another vote would be pointless and futile as many of those who voted remain would now vote leave,
mostly due to the lies from remoanians and the attitude of junker and co before and after the referendum.
Plus the decision is already made, i have no interest in what those who couldnt be bothered to vote think, they made their choice I made mine.
07-09-2017 12:55 PM
A second referendum would prove to me that my first vote was considered worthless. I don't agree that they should be able to hold another just because they didn't like the first result. How dare they think that my vote shouldn't count, and can just be over ridden at someones whim.
In a second referendum, I would vote to leave, just as I did the first time, and then I would never cast another vote as long as I live. Why should I when I'm being told my opinion doesn't count.
The remoaners need to accept that they were outvoted, and get over it. They are no more important than the rest (majority) of us, and it's time they realised that.
07-09-2017 7:36 PM
I'm fed up with all the moaners and the saboteurs.
IF there was another vote, and I would hope not, I would vote the same as last time and then, like mjc, I would never vote again.
It's the lack of democracy that I hated about the EU and its ruling by the faceless and money-wasting people that we don't vote for. Those UK MPs who want another vote until they get the answer they want clearly have no interest in democracy either and only care about their own interests.
I also wish that arrogant, patronising and interfering Tony Blair would butt out and stop threatening to return to politics.
07-09-2017 10:23 PM
I don't think we have heard the last from him Suzie. As a recipient of the Kalergi Prize he is totally committed to diversity, immigration and free movement throughout Europe, including the UK. Brexit has put a real spanner in the works as far as their plan is concerned, so he will keep popping up, even more so as things progress. And his bestest friend, Snake Oil Mandelson , is also totally committed to doing as much as he can to derail Brexit. The Devil's disciples..both of them.
I do agree that Democracy should be upheld, but one can't help wondering how far people like them will go. They are pretty desperate.
09-09-2017 6:20 AM
We MUST keep having referendums until we get the result WE want! That's democracy - EU style!...
"This EU Parliament is the only elected Parliament the world has ever invented where you cannot initiate legislation, propose legislation, or the repeal of legislation. All of that comes from the unelected European Commission.
"So you, as an elected Member of the European Parliament, can't propose a law, and try to get it passed?
"No! Absolutely not.
"In a Parliamentary democracy you can throw everything out of the window and start again. With this European Parliament, once something is European law, there is nothing through the democratic process that the voter can do to change it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYqzcqDtL3k&t=309
"The EU is the most terrifying bureaucratic system in the world! "I was a member the EU Council of Minsters as the representative of Britain. That was the most shattering experience of my life. I couldn't submit a document. Only the EU Commission (pure bureaucrats) could submit a document. It met in secret - it made laws for Britain - and everywhere else. When I suggested we met in public, they nearly strangled me, because all their dirty little deals would have come out!...
"We live in a Continent where increasingly power has gone to a group of people who are not elected, cannot be removed, and don't have to listen to us...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWnpbEMMsNw&t=80
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09-09-2017 6:48 AM
>> #3: I voted not to join the EEC in the 1970's....even then I smelled a rat. And we who voted then really didn't know what we were voting for then. No-one knew what the ultimate plan was, but it is becoming clear now....
archive.irishdemocrat.co.uk - the great 'common market' deception
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09-09-2017 7:42 AM
As you say in #3 in 1970 we definitely didn't know what we were voting for, the EU was touted as a cure for our economic problems with a dash of fear of the Russians added. That's how I remember it anyway. To me both votes were always about democracy, the EU was not democratic in 1970 and is even less so now.
Someone earlier said that without EU legislation the tories will roll back employee protection, human rights and privacy laws. They are probably right but with democracy that can be resisted and stopped. Under the EU they are being rolled back anyway by anti-terrorism law and job insecurity caused by levels of immigration.
IMO we voted blindfolded the first time and with our eyes open the second, any third vote should be out of the question until the EU is a fully functioning democracy. That means that elected representatives hold the strings of power, not un-elected bodies that cannot be removed. Any applicant to join the EU has to prove that it has democratic principals in place and the same standards should apply to it.
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09-09-2017 7:51 PM
There are some lively discussions on this topic on Twitter - the silent majority have spoken, but the hoodwinked noisy minority continue to squeal:
#Brexit:
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10-09-2017 1:10 PM
Looks like they are really rattled now! Tony Blair? Don't they realise that he is the most despised man in Politics now? He has popped up again this morning..so predictably..saying that if we reverse Brexit then we could have concessions regarding immigration. Too late! There is a nasty smell of desperation about it. A visit , with a welcoming kiss, with Juncker last week and now he comes up with this. Far too late.
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