A second referendum.

The holidays are over, the kids are back in school, and Parliament is back in Westminster. Brexit is likely to dominate the proceedings there. This morning, Vince Cable was on TV discussing Brexit, and in his view there should, and will be a second referendum. His view is that another referendum would be a 'first ' referendum, because new facts have come to light, and we would be voting with different information.

What do you good people think of a second referendum, or a second vote on the final agreement? If there were to be another vote, would you vote differently from last time?

 

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Which category do you fall into😀
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'something' is different to 'someone' dahlinks

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No, another vote would be pointless and futile as many of those who voted remain would now vote leave,

mostly due to the lies from remoanians and the attitude of junker and co before and after the referendum.

Plus the decision is already made, i have no interest in what those who couldnt be bothered to vote think, they made their choice I made mine.

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A second referendum would prove to me that my first vote was considered worthless.  I don't agree that they should be able to hold another just because they didn't like the first result.  How dare they think that my vote shouldn't count, and can just be over ridden at someones whim.

 

In a second referendum, I would vote to leave, just as I did the first time, and then I would never cast another vote as long as I live. Why should I when I'm being told my opinion doesn't count.

 

The remoaners need to accept that they were outvoted, and get over it. They are no more important than the rest (majority) of us, and it's time they realised that. 

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I'm fed up with all the moaners and the saboteurs.

 

IF there was another vote, and I would hope not, I would vote the same as last time and then, like mjc, I would never vote again.

 

It's the lack of democracy that I hated about the EU and its ruling by the faceless and money-wasting people that we don't vote for. Those UK MPs who want another vote until they get the answer they want clearly have no interest in democracy either and only care about their own interests.

 

I also wish that arrogant, patronising and interfering Tony Blair would butt out and stop threatening to return to politics.  scream

 

 

All that we are is what we have thought.
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I don't think we have heard the last from him Suzie. As a recipient of the Kalergi Prize he is totally committed to diversity, immigration and free movement throughout Europe, including the UK. Brexit has put a real spanner in the works as far as their plan is concerned, so he will keep popping up, even more so as things progress. And his bestest friend, Snake Oil Mandelson , is also totally committed to doing as much as he can to derail Brexit. The Devil's disciples..both of them.

I do agree that Democracy should be upheld, but one can't help wondering how far people like them will go. They are pretty desperate.

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We MUST keep having referendums until we get the result WE want! That's democracy - EU style!...

 

 

"This EU Parliament is the only elected Parliament the world has ever invented where you cannot initiate legislation, propose legislation, or the repeal of legislation. All of that comes from the unelected European Commission.
"So you, as an elected Member of the European Parliament, can't propose a law, and try to get it passed?
"No!  Absolutely not.
"In a Parliamentary democracy you can throw everything out of the window and start again. With this European Parliament, once something is European law, there is nothing through the democratic process that the voter can do to change it...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYqzcqDtL3k&t=309

 

 

"The EU is the most terrifying bureaucratic system in the world!  "I was a member the EU Council of Minsters as the representative of Britain. That was the most shattering experience of my life. I couldn't submit a document. Only the EU Commission (pure bureaucrats) could submit a document. It met in secret - it made laws for Britain - and everywhere else. When I suggested we met in public, they nearly strangled me, because all their dirty little deals would have come out!...

 

"We live in a Continent where increasingly power has gone to a group of people who are not elected, cannot be removed, and don't have to listen to us...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWnpbEMMsNw&t=80

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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>> #3: I voted not to join the EEC in the 1970's....even then I smelled a rat. And we who voted then really didn't know what we were voting for then. No-one knew what the ultimate plan was, but it is becoming clear now....

 

 

 

 

archive.irishdemocrat.co.uk - the great 'common market' deception

 

 

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As you say in #3 in 1970 we definitely didn't know what we were voting for, the EU was touted as a cure for our economic problems with a dash of fear of the Russians added.  That's how I remember it anyway.  To me both votes were always about democracy, the EU was not democratic in 1970 and is even less so now.

 

Someone earlier said that without EU legislation the tories will roll back employee protection, human rights and privacy laws.  They are probably right but with democracy that can be resisted and stopped.  Under the EU they are being rolled back anyway by anti-terrorism law and job insecurity caused by levels of immigration.

 

IMO we voted blindfolded the first time and with our eyes open the second, any third vote should be out of the question until the EU is a fully functioning democracy.  That means that elected representatives hold the strings of power, not un-elected bodies that cannot be removed.   Any applicant to join the EU has to prove that it has democratic principals in place and the same standards should apply to it.

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There are some lively discussions on this topic on Twitter - the silent majority have spoken, but the hoodwinked noisy minority continue to squeal:

 

#Brexit:

 

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23brexit

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I voted to remain but I am not a remoaner. (Stupid term) It's actually the leavers I hear moaning most, many complaining that they were duped with promises such as £350 million and that they weren't expecting the kind of hard Brexit the Tories may cook up.

Well I hope we get a hell of a hard Brexit, I'm sick of hearing **bleep** about having Brexit while remaining in the single market; if we're in the single market we haven't left! If people were so thick they believed all the propaganda then screw them, I'll remain with a state of optimism that all will be OK and Brexit will deliver all the positive things hoped for (never gonna see the £350 million though) I will continue with the attitude that I'm able to face whatever the future brings. I say bring it on, you wanted it so let's have it, hard and fast. There are many clued up Brexitiers who will know exactly what to expect, the rest can just swallow whatever is shafted to them by the Tory government. I didn't want it but now I'm happy to accept it, shame many are not so sure now, enjoy!
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Another Twitter tag which may be of interest:

 

#Democracy

 

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Democracy

 

 

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A "small island economy" is thriving:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk9eMVBaip0

 

 

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Looks like they are really rattled now! Tony Blair? Don't they realise that he is the most despised man in Politics now? He has popped up again this morning..so predictably..saying that if we reverse Brexit then we could have concessions regarding immigration. Too late! There is a nasty smell of desperation about it. A visit , with a welcoming kiss, with Juncker last week and now he comes up with this. Far too late.

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We voted to remain in the EEC, after Edward Heath took us in without a mandATE TO DO SO
Diplomacy is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip.
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People were conned when we first Joined the "Common Market" no mention of a super state, but the Government knew this was the plan, when we got to vote later to Remain init, it still wasn't mentioned, we only found out after 30 years when the papers were released, why do you think it was kept secret for this length of time?
Diplomacy is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip.
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The non voting third of the country didn't care otherwise they would have voted, most of those registered to vote did so!
Diplomacy is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip.
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Tony Blair a man who had nothing when he bacame PM has now got a personal fortune of more than £25 million and they say there is no corruption in British politics
Diplomacy is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip.
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I’m not sure about your corruption assumptions, there are those on SM who constantly bang on about it and some of it is undoubtedly true HSBC bring a prime example, Blair is often called out by the likes of George Galloway but it is as much about his positioning of the Labour Party as him as an individual. Now the pendulum is swinging away from the centre towards the far left and I find that far more frightening, especially as so many are influenced by what they read on social media which is as bad as the tabloid press albeit with a greater influence on the young! There is corruption of sorts in all walks of life however just how bad it is is open to debate because quite frankly no one goes out of their way to admit it.
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