A muslims response to the Charlie Hebdo attack

[paul4757]

The muslim mayor of Rotterdam response to the attack on Charlie Hebdo

and other terrorist attacks by muslim extremists.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/muslim-mayor-of-rotterdam-ahmed-aboutaleb-tells-extre...

[cee-dee]

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/niger-churches-burned-in-hebdo-demo-30919383.html

[goldenwonders]

I tend to listen to France 24 news - get stories on there that don't hit UK TV - just heard 800,000 have demonstrated against Charlie Hebdo in Grozny.

[cee-dee]

Being a muslim stronghold, it's hardly surprising?

[calibra101]

In reply to Bookhunter....I do not read The Daily Afraid ,obviously you do to know what content it spews out. No. I have not organised a protest because I do not belong to any religion. Why should I ?  My thoughts cause no harm globally and I have no desire to take over the world with archaic beliefs.

[lhasa.two]

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@cee-dee wrote:

I wasn't aware that India was considered a muslim country?

It isn't, that's why the annexation took place to crate Pakistan for the majority of the muslim population.

I was under the impression that the religions there are Hindu, Buddist and Sikh.

As for China, Isn't religion frowned upon there but there's still Buddists again, Confucians and Taoists quite apart from minority Christians.

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 There are about 100 million muslims in China.

[cee-dee]

Where do these "facts" come from? In 2010 it was reported that there were 23 million muslims in China = 1.8% of the population.

[merehazle]

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@tommy.irene wrote:
Anyway, that's why I asked Tommy that question about that picture. It was a unfair, if that picture was of an incident some time ago. And it turns out it was.</p><p> </p><hr>I found out it happened in London..There were no arrests... this is another one with no arrests.. <a target="_blank" href="http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/niger-churches-burned-in-hebdo-demo-30919383.html"...

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Hi Tommy. Thank you. I tried that link, and I do wonder why I get only a blank page?  Then CDs, #60&61 and his link come through. Yes...there is obviously a difference. 

'You found out it happened in London. And there were no arrests...this is another one with no arrests.' 

Well I'm only trying to find out the details. Was this incident in ''London'' not reported then? Well I never see it.

That's why I asked where and when.

BTW I was not trying to pressure you when I  posted  my  post 57  (Yes TIME ) I missed out the word 'time' in my #58. First line. Sorry. 

[lhasa.two]

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@bookhunter2007 wrote:

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@calibra101 wrote:

Going back to artwise sort of question. Why aren't the so called moderate Muslim community's on the streets and up in arms protesting against the radicals who supposedly make Islam look so bad????

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Well, some do but you tend to have to look beyond the Daily Afraid to find such reports:

http://rt.com/news/189168-german-muslims-protest-isis/

Besides, do you ever organise or attend a protest when someone from a similar cultural background to yourself commits a heinous crime? If not, why?

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That link is interesting as it probably demonstrates how mostly Turkish sunni muslims have integrated into German society through the "special arrangement" Germany has had with Turkey since the 60's, the latter being a secular run country. That's not to say there haven't been some problems with integration but I suppose that's to be expected as their cultures are so different. 

I demonstrated in the 70's for better rights for women... I created some of the posters that were used on the the first National Women's Liberation Movement march in London in1971. Law reforms sprung from that so I would say that prior to those changes, some heinous crimes were perpetrated on women.

[bookhunter2007]

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@calibra101 wrote:

In reply to Bookhunter....I do not read The Daily Afraid ,obviously you do to know what content it spews out. No. I have not organised a protest because I do not belong to any religion. Why should I ?  My thoughts cause no harm globally and I have no desire to take over the world with archaic beliefs.

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So what gives YOU the right to tell other people what they should protest about?

You may think your "thoughts cause no harm globally" by casting Muslims as one mass homogenised group of headbangers who think the same, but try telling that to this guy:

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/tesco-attack-man-charged-attempted-8457314

Going back to a bookhunter sort of question. Why aren't the so called moderate Islamophobes on the streets and up in arms protesting against the radicals who supposedly make Islamophobes look so bad????

[tommy.irene]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/september-11-attacks/8755834/911-anniversary-Muslim-protes... ................................... However, a small opposing group of Muslims - some of whom had travelled hundreds of miles to rebut the extremists - staged a counter-demonstration nearby, holding up placards reading "Muslims Against Extremism" and "If You Want Sharia, Move To Saudi". Abdul Sallam, 41, who was waving a sign that read "Keep The Silence", travelled down to London from his home in Glasgow to show the strength of his feelings. He said: "I'm a Muslim. What they're doing is bringing shame on all Muslims. This is not part of the teachings of Islam. "Islam teaches you that when you see anything bad or evil, you should speak out against it. "If the moderate Muslims all came out and spoke out, that would defeat them.

[fallen-archie]

Going back to a bookhunter sort of question. Why aren't the so called moderate Islamophobes on the streets and up in arms protesting against the radicals who supposedly make Islamophobes look so bad????

Once again a thread gets a question designed to be both provocative and spoiling, I don't like politics never have, never will. But let me paint a slightly different picture. I am currently in a Muslim country which is extremely close to some troubled areas. From the comfort of my Hotel I have chatted with visitors and staff most of whom are open about their worries specifically the radicalisation of some within their community. Their is a Palestinian lady here recovering from major surgery, her husband was killed last year and since surgery she has lost much of her sight. She is helped, aided, chatted to by everyone and she tells stories of her life in Palestine, some of it is harrowing but you learn much. There is no dissent on anyone's part that I have seen. Further down the coast hotels lie empty once happily employed young people are no longer in work, that gave them hope gave them a future or at least a start. Most are fearful of the radicals they hope their own government will be strong enough to protect them, hopefully it will however the creation of a caliphate if allowed will be just the start, it will do nothing to help any human being.

[tommy.irene]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/tens-of-thousands-of-muslims-flee-christian-militias-in-c... .. BANGUI, Central African Republic – Tens of thousands of Muslims are fleeing to neighboring countries by plane and truck as Christian militias stage brutal attacks, shattering the social fabric of this war-ravaged nation. In towns and villages as well as here in the capital, Christian vigilantes wielding machetes have killed scores of Muslims, who are a minority here, and burned and looted their houses and mosques in recent days, according to witnesses, aid agencies and peacekeepers. Tens of thousands of Muslims have fled their homes.

[tommy.irene]

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@tommy.irene wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/tens-of-thousands-of-muslims-flee-christian-militias-in-c... .. BANGUI, Central African Republic – Tens of thousands of Muslims are fleeing to neighboring countries by plane and truck as Christian militias stage brutal attacks, shattering the social fabric of this war-ravaged nation. In towns and villages as well as here in the capital, Christian vigilantes wielding machetes have killed scores of Muslims, who are a minority here, and burned and looted their houses and mosques in recent days, according to witnesses, aid agencies and peacekeepers. Tens of thousands of Muslims have fled their homes.

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This remindes me of Northern Ireland in 1969..

[tommy.irene]

http://www.itv.com/news/2015-01-22/british-imam-im-proud-of-my-country-and-my-faith/ .......... Speaking to ITV News, Qari Asim, the imam of Leeds Makkah Mosque, one of the largest in the UK, discusses his community's concerns that their faith has been hijacked, the "toxic" ideology of extremists, and that controversial Government letter. My community is anxious and concerned. The name of our faith is being used to kill and Muslims are concerned that their faith has been hijacked. And, as a result, emotions are raw and there's been a backlash in society. Stones have been thrown at mosques, windows broken and headscarves on the heads of women have been snatched.

[bookhunter2007]

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@fallen-archie wrote:
Once again a thread gets a question designed to be both provocative and spoiling, I don't like politics never have, never will. But let me paint a slightly different picture. I am currently in a Muslim country which is extremely close to some troubled areas. From the comfort of my Hotel I have chatted with visitors and staff most of whom are open about their worries specifically the radicalisation of some within their community. Their is a Palestinian lady here recovering from major surgery, her husband was killed last year and since surgery she has lost much of her sight. She is helped, aided, chatted to by everyone and she tells stories of her life in Palestine, some of it is harrowing but you learn much. There is no dissent on anyone's part that I have seen. Further down the coast hotels lie empty once happily employed young people are no longer in work, that gave them hope gave them a future or at least a start. Most are fearful of the radicals they hope their own government will be strong enough to protect them, hopefully it will however the creation of a caliphate if allowed will be just the start, it will do nothing to help any human being.

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I’m not disputing the need to stand up to radicals. My beef is with the “usual suspects” who use any excuse to whip-up hate and animosity towards ALL Muslims. How are they any better in mentality than Radicals who try to whip-up hate towards ALL Westerners?

I recall one person – a child - who made an incredibly brave stand against The Taliban. Her name is Malala Yousafzai. I remember a thread on here ‘discussing’ her, so you’d think the “usual suspects” whinging about how Muslims “never stand up to the radicals” would’ve acknowledged her bravery? Did they heck. True to form, they just blubbed and whinged about “costs” and tried to cast her family as a bunch of scroungers.

The thing about Malala is she filters out the headbangers from both sides. The haters who repeatedly try to smear Muslims just could not bring themselves to acknowledge her stand and tried to divert from this. On the other hand, she just goes to demonstrate how pathetic the Taliban are by showing them up as a bunch of cowardly men scared witless of a 13 year old girl with a pile of textbooks.

Perhaps if some of the RT haters took advantage of their free education – something they obviously took for granted - they wouldn’t be puffing out guff straight from clickbait tabloid headlines.

[fallen-archie]

OK BH you have always maintained a consistent approach toward the So called RT haters ( your words not mine) it is also reasonable to suggest that on any forum which has traditionally drawn contributions from a wide variety of backgrounds, points of view, experience and education there are bound to be those who present things you don't like, disagree with or you feel are simply there to pedal a biased or even bigoted viewpoint. In fact in an extremely simplistic way this forum is representative of the type of human conflict that causes so many problems day in day out. However a strong hand was applied here in order that people might learn to listen to and respect the point of view others have. In my book that means accepting though not agreeing with individual comments ( not hate or stuff like that) and putting forward the type of comments which enhance the discussion not destroy it as happens so often.
We know the views we don't like, you have the facility to ignore or report someone who is clearly being unreasonable as opposed to outspoken.I think you consistently bang on about an individuals response being based on banner head lines, their sock puppet mentality or the standard of educational background.
Throughout history conflict resolution has relied upon at least some level of compromise. Malala is a truly remarkable young woman, in her short lifetime she has experienced more than most do in a lifetime. She is a figure of hope to many, a rare bright light who in taking the stand she does puts herself at extreme risk and potential assassination. She has an uphill battle, many Muslims are not yet ready or willing to embrace western values, why should they? Religion has been eroded so much within our own society that they and more importantly those who represent Muslims fear for the future of there traditions. When they see the antics of our own young people,the way girls go out on a Friday night dressed to pull, reasonable Muslims like Malala ask why they need to display themselves in such a way. We could tit for tat these arguments endlessly but essentially it's conservative views against liberal ones, religion versus commerce, the right to progress with the right to protect. And while we go off at a tangent atrocities on both sides continue.
But and this is where I came in, if we want to discuss it we can providing the discussion remains adult, non personal, on topic etc. Surely that's not such a big ask?

[Anonymous]

Hello

I originate form  from North Africa & most of my family lives there = In "Algeria" in the mid 90's Algerian went on the streets & marched against the Government as they did not want a Fundamentalist  Governments & lots of people died (women/men ) but the majority did indeed flood to the streets & refused it = very high price to pay but at least they got rid of this very unpopular Fundamentalist Government!!

So you will be surprised as when people have had enough they will indeed fight for what they feel is unacceptable & will march in the street & risk there lives !!

I do not agree in the least in as being a woman in a Muslim culture I have fought & won my battles!!  However believe me when I say that women are powerful & will change the way men thinks & have indeed started the process = I see it in my Country & other Muslim Countries also

Hope this helps

[fallen-archie]

It is good to read your comments, they are similar to a Palestinian lady I was talking to last week. Ultimately it should be your decision not dictated by the west or other powerful countries or corporations. Personal experience is difficult to argue against.

[Anonymous]

Hello

Yes indeed !!

I truly dislike the hypocrisy of the Western World or the US as when they went & invaded some Countries the underlying was indeed to do with resources rather than a dictator (that in some instance they had put in power) = hypocrites is a mild way of putting it

Also I spent 13 years on & off working as an aide worker or raising money (self employed)  & going to some countries to see if I could help in any way & can assure you that what I saw at times was truly terrible & that the West did not help in any way in my humble opinion ( Palestine/Bosnia to name a few)

I truly believe that if one really wants to understand a culture or perhaps a conflict & one is able to do go & see for themselves then one can afterwards give an opinion based on their experience there !! 

How can someone give an opinion about a culture if they have not ever lived there or do not know anybody from that culture is beyond me or not know the ins & out of the beliefs system & so forth

My degree is in Film/Video & Photography were/are great tool to used !!  Also the Media are great contributors to making people believe in a story that turns out at times to not be the case = manipulation again is a mild word

I am a wolf & refuse to follow like a sheep regardless of the price to pay

[Anonymous]

Hello

The " Crusades " again & again !!!

Great if people believe in ET/or Muslims/Christians or other beliefs !!  However why is it still creating misery & hatred is beyond me !!

One belief's ought perhaps to be a source of contentment & not something to fight over or create wars over

My humble opinion