Who else here is planning to close all their listings before midnight on the 4th?

[daro2096]

From February 5th it won't be worth it to sell on eBay because of buyer's fees being introduced so on the 4th before midnight I am planning to close all and any items I have up.

Anyone else doing the same?

If eBay want private sellers here they are doing their best to get rid of us.

I will never sell here again(I know I said this before but this time I am out completely).

Well done eBay. RIP eBay, it was good while it lasted.

[akemp1]

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@lucy_farmer wrote:

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But I'm not convinced that  putting anything in the description will make any difference (buyers do tend to be a little lacksadaisical about reading the entire description...!)

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Anything that distracts or delays the buyer from committing to purchase is bad news. I try and keep my descriptions as concise as possible to get all reasonably required information across and nothing more in as few words as possible.

I think this problem is greater than just a debate about how the fees are paid (seller versus buyer) and while some are of the view that if the transaction adds up to the same price anyway who cares I believe buyers are less likely to proceed with the transaction if they see fees being mentioned in a description or in the checkout summary as they put no value on fees all they want to pay for is the item. It gives them a moment to pause, think and change their mind on if a transaction happens.

[kab7607]

I'm taking all mine off on the 3rd, so that if anything sells the 4th will be the last day to send.  Avoiding the 5th when the change over is supposed to happen.  I'm going to sit & wait to see what happens with other people as like yourself, the postage is the biggest issue for me (though everything else is appalling & what they are doing will make genuine private sellers who sell stuff around the home for low amounts just give up....) as if this simple postage option comes in forcing postage that I can't send with as my area can't use every courier etc then that's it for me & I'll be done selling all together 😞

[johnwash1]

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@tressygirl wrote:

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@medealady

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This from their help pages on Simple Delivery:

Collection is available for items sent through Simple Delivery with Royal Mail labels only. You can book a collection on the Royal Mail - opens in new window or tab website after you create your Simple Delivery label.

@medealady

@medealady

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And what use is that, when a buyer selects Evri from the options?

[kab7607]

I live on the Isle of Wight & where we can receive post from most couriers etc we cannot send anything using Evri as for some reason despite being here every day, they refuse to have a drop of point anywhere.  I can use Yodel & do Click & Collect that way or door to door & I used to do so all the time for my lower priced things I was selling, but the time I was spending calling them up trying to find out where things had disappeared to or why the Tracking wasn't working was draining & time consuming so I dropped using them & have only used RM since.  I stopped doing Click & Collect after having 2 parcels stolen from the actual shops despite being delivered & photos of the items on the counters of the shops. RM Tracked ever since. I do have a printer but ink does run out & is expensive so it's good to have the means to get a label printed from the PO.  If simple shipping forces buyers to choose who they want to deliver their items & I can't force it to just be RM like you, then I'll be out for good as I just can't or won't be able to do it.  We also have no Inpost lockers on the whole Island which is bizarre & I'm hoping this will end at some point.

[papso22]

The current guidance is sadly lacking on whether a seller can just offer RM, and no-one who uses it has come on the boards to explain how it works from the seller's perspective.

[suelel1968]

Hi, I feel exactly the same when I go to buy something on line and can't pay with Paypal. "so they want me to get off the chair and go into the kitchen to get my card and fill numbers in on a form? No way! Not happening. I'll get it somewhere else" I'm not even joking.

[wa44iner]

We have already cancelled all our listings

[vintique*violet]

If you don't 'fit' with the modern majority, loads of companies will be kicking people to the kerb. It's just too much hassle and expense, for them, to accomodate everybody and their differing needs....... as long as 95% of their customers are happy, the other 5% can do one. They'll make up any losses incured by losing the awkward ones, in the AI computerisation (no staff wages!) of everything else.

( try getting parking tickets, train tickets, gig tickets etc without a smart phone? ... ☹️)

(my optimism about the ebay computer was that, surely, they *can't* make it a 'one size fits all' system, because that would make their plans impossible and make them a laughingstock of digital companies)

If you look at the way things have " progressed" over the years ( and I mean decades) it is not just eBay... " ARTIFICIAL" is lining the pockets of big business and the need of the oligarchs to control " life"... which is not "living" in the organic sense. Anything with the pre-fix of " smart" I try to avoid... there is nothing smart about it, in fact the word smart original meaning was to  " sting" or " hurt"  and not " bright or clever"...  Everything is being turned upside down - good is evil and evil is good... 

" They" want a "one size fits all" ...they do not want free thinkers, critical thinkers or those who can use their own intelligence, and  if you don't fit the " criteria" then you are literally " banished"... The " think outside of the "box" is literally being " cornered!" 

[jow1995]

you have sold 16k items on a private account, many business sellers would be happy with those sales figures!

[vintique*violet]

Many of your listings are still showing... although I see you have added a " note" on your about page informing potential buyers about the BPF and that you are stopping.  I can understand your dismay, and frustration; however if you are running a business , you could upgrade and the BPF will not apply, although other business costs would be incurred, just might be a way for you to continue if you so wished. 

[4_bathrooms]

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@kempseykate wrote:

Also, don't forget that the new BPF only offers a 24/7 phone call/chat,  the knowledge that private sellers will not get their money held for up to 14 days and secure payments. As far as I am aware, none of these things are 'rights given to consumers by law'. 

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Secure payments - i.e. using strong end-to-end encryption for transmitting personal data - is a protection afforded under the Data Protection Act (the sixth data protection principle).

However, where the rest is concerned...you're right! Essentially the BPF is a fee for providing an escrow service and 24/7 customer support. This made me wonder what Vinted do as that is who eBay are copying. It turns out Vinted charge all buyers a protection fee and the amount is the same whether the buyer is purchasing from a private seller or a business seller. But...when a buyer is purchasing from a private seller it is called a "buyer protection fee" covering situations such as the item being lost in transit, arriving damaged, not being as described etc. - rather like eBay's MBG. When a buyer is purchasing from a business seller it is called a "buyer protection pro fee". The BPPF page makes no mention about providing protection for items lost in transit, that arrive damaged or are not as described. Instead it mentions that funds are held securely until the purchase is complete and that Vinted can facilitate the buyer in exercising their (legal) rights although it does state the buyer is not obliged to exercise their rights via Vinted; just that they can if they choose to.

[jma2815]

The 25 listings you still have up are there because you have bids on them, right? And then you’re stopping? 

The note you’ve put in your ‘about’ page is wrong. Its not sellers that will be charged, its buyers. They will see  the whole price on the listing and the 4% + 75p will be itemised as a ‘protection fee’ at check out. I reckon a lot of buyers will expect a retrospective discount to take it into account though so you’re not wrong that the seller will end up paying it. 

Its something that many buyers are used to now from other platforms and may not affect your sales as much as you think.  I don’t agree with it but that’s not the point. 

You are obviously used to selling quite a lot so will giving up be that easy? - ‘business’ or not, changing to a business account, paying the fees without it having to be a concern to your buyers and retaining control of your postage might be a good way forward if the reality is that you want to continue selling. 

[4_bathrooms]

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@lucy_farmer wrote:

Here's how I'm *hoping* 'Simple Delivery' will work.....

When you sell something through Simple Del the massive * computing power of ebay should be able to match up your post code with the delivery services who serve *your* area.

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eBay's "massive" computing power can't take two variables (handling time & delivery service), add them together and calculate the correct result; something I can do with the fingers on one hand.

[lucy_farmer]

'eBay's "massive" computing power can't take two variables (handling time & delivery service), add them together and calculate the correct result; something I can do with the fingers on one hand.'

Yep... because it's been told to do that by the stupid human beings in charge.

[danthescan]

When a buyer notices they are having to pay extra just to buy from Ebay do you really think they will be back.

[papso22]

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@danthescan wrote:

When a buyer notices they are having to pay extra just to buy from Ebay do you really think they will be back.

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Doesn't that rather depend on where else they could buy it and at what price?

[millcottage]

Rather than end listings prior to 4th of Feb, leave them all listed but just multiply buy it now price by 20 times.

Keeps account alive and things listed in case eBay change their terms again in neat future back to what they are now.

[technthread]

eBay could pull the seller up on that for breaching their price gouging policy. 

[akemp1]

As much as I think this change is a poor choice by ebay there's no point shooting yourself in the foot over it as there's always the option of just leaving the listings as they are currently priced to see if any buyers want to pay the tax to buy them.  It might slow down sales but not as much as pulling down all the listings would unless you have another platform to go to that you prefer and has buyers.

[millcottage]

Yes eBay seem on the ball with that 👍

Search for 50p and sort in highest price first 😆