We are Ebay closing down valid current conversations !!

[gmij1961]

Twice in the last 2  days a thread about  Not selling due to SD 

This reprehensible approach will only cause more discontent about so called "SD" 

[gjalp]

I can see how it could work for some people ie those that can drop off on the way to work/school run/daily life and for items that are average value/size and easy to pack.

I personally need RM only and a collection (aside from the fact Evri is terrible in my area for deliveries, you only have to look on local fb groups and the ‘has anyone got this parcel as its not my door’ posts). I struggle with QR codes, I don’t use my phone (too tricky for my hands) and have to print a label. I resent the ‘surcharge’ of needing to keep to RM only because I have a disability and this is discriminating. Its a bit like being charged for a reasonable adjustment in my home by an outsider. By all means keep SD as those that like it/find it easy to use but for the love of life, please make it optional.

[thepillenwerfer]

Royal Mail bring labels now so you don't even have to print them.  In fact I can't see a way to STOP them from bringing them.

I don't have a problem with the RM-only "surcharge" as I'm still paying slightly less in most  cases than I'd be paying them direct under the old system — and no collection fee.  Were I paying more it would a very different matter.

[platform.5.trains]

yeah i agree all we need now are buyers....( tumbleweed blows across e bay)

[meanmimunky]

cant add to a post if its been shut down, and if you manage to before it was "archived" nobody gets to see it anyway.

BP is illegal as shown in my post on the subject, but you cant read that one either

[rugbyguy1960]

I agree with some of your post but as for a thread being closed that has helped a awful lot of private sellers really is indefensible and shows just how bad this site has become.

There is just no excuse for the draconian attitude here nowadays.

[rugbyguy1960]

I totally agree and I messaged the person concerned but doubt I'll get a sensible reply, that's if I get a response.

This site really has become a absolute nonsense.

[rugbyguy1960]

I agree yet again.

I now, don't know anyone who uses ebay anymore.

How are users meant to be happy on a site where there is zero trust or belief and I hope your thread has the same effect that my 'No Longer Selling' thread had.

[jonatjonatjonat]

Lots of posts have posited that BPF is illegal and haven't been removed. I don't believe it is illegal, but I can't see any reason why you can't add your view on it here.

[rugbyguy1960]

No one is above repercussions for their actions, not even ebay.

If the negative response to actions isn't liked then something positive should be done. Removing posts and closing threads is not exactly positive.

A draconian attitude will only last a certain time.

The distinct lack of common sense here is glaringly obvious.

[rugbyguy1960]

I agree. I can think for myself and do not need to be controlled like a toddler.

I guess the saying "The Truth Hurts" is something that is felt here.

[jonatjonatjonat]

In that vein. I am therefore free to ask why exactly, do you believe you are not a business and why do you feel you can get away with listing on a private seller account?

[gmij1961]

I did think anyone would still post to this thread, as I accepted a resolution  when the "not selling " thread was re-instated . That was many months ago 🙂 

In terms of the legitimacy of BPF then if the buyer is not actually buying any genuine  or tangible form of buyer protection then it very likely breaks trading legislation . Not informing the buyer of what insurance of protection they have without buyer  paying protection is a another significant issue .  Also as previously said , it could also be argued  that with the SD and delayed payment model , Ebay is now reselling the item , and if so as a business the buyer has comprehensive protection without  BPF !

Most platforms probably believe they can get away with this as the fees are so small and no individual will challenge it . However I think it will only be matter of time that BPF will be challenged in the courts for these reasons by either a regulatory body or a consumer organisation  class action. That is because  BPF is so blatantly misleading in terms of  true purpose , I.E an replacement source of revenue to not charging  selling fees.

Has anyone notice the  VTD adds where they now overlay a message about BPF !   I wonder if that is being driven by complaints ?

[jonatjonatjonat]

Yeah, I’ve heard your thoughts before. I don’t agree with them. Any movement on that class action?

[gmij1961]

The problem with BPF is it is very clear to anyone who is not making money from an on-line market place that the BPF is just a thinly veiled attempt at charging selling/ buying fees while pretending they are something else.

As marketing tactics ( scams ) go this bad and regardless of the low level costs it incurs it will be stopped at some stage .  I hope that when it is all those that deploy is are directed to refund all such payments .

I can't see anything genuine about BPF  but if you don't agree perhaps can highlight what I am missing .

As a  dormant seller there is very little I can do , but as a buyer I am entitled to log a complaint with every phoney BPF charge that Ebay etc are forcing me to pay, that I did not need in the 1st place

[gmij1961]

Again its pretty shameful the way Ebay have chosen to close down your original thread  again in such a fashion

My guess is that giving how close it was  to the 10000 they wanted it out the way .

Its bizarre that my thread that I accepted a solution on months ago can still be posted to but yours was terminated with consultation etc . Does that just go show how dysfunctional Ebay customer services actually is .

However  probably yet another own goal on behalf of Ebay as it will only serve to increase focus on  dysfunctional over complex SD and the BPF scam 

[rugbyguy1960]

So true. It is a shame that certain posters were the cause for the thread being locked. Like you've just said it will now most probably cause a increase in posts on other threads. Locking my thread could end up being a big unwanted Own Goal.

[jonatjonatjonat]

I’m not going to waste my time beyond saying refer to my previous responses to you.

[gmij1961]

 If you don't want to waste you precious time have considered not posting  🙂  

With out  wasting my own time and trawling through all your "responses" I cannot recall any that give a reasonable explanation as why BPF is valid for any  such platform .  

So as to my previous post , if you disagree  with what I have said then please explain ?

[meanmimunky]

ebay have supposedly simplified selling by offering a postal service. its said that the BPF is to safegaurd buyers and refund for lost/damaged items.

this BPF is not optional for buyers, it has to be paid when buying/winning an item from private sellers 

EVERY post service already have safegaurds in place and a refund service for lost or damaged items.

this means you pay ebay for a service that they get free when using whatever company they have chosen.

being made to pay for any service that already free is against the law.

obviously all the negative views on the subject must have some credence hence the censorship

[rugbyguy1960]

A very interesting and good post.