This is going to mean the end for many small private sellers. "Buyer Protection Fee"

[vinylscot]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/help/buying/paying-items/buyer-protection?id=5594

75p plus 4% buyers fee, so something which was priced at £5 will be £5.95 in February.

[grantbananaz]

The BPF is ridiculous concerning selling low cost items. a £2.85 item now sells for £3.68.

I hardly think the 75p charge is fair for such things and it will undoubtedly put buyers off.

I will be looking elsewhere to sell. 

Sadly ebay will be losing custom in the long run. 

[theelench]

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@kath3735_wxmjn wrote:

Surely there was always a hold for new and returning sellers and the hold for ID verifications,  i recall many threads on here commenting about such holds.  The 14 day hold is the only new thing and it is up to the individual to decide on whether they will still use e bay because of it.  

Yes there has and they have always been applied for those specific reasons.  Yes the 14 day hold is the only new HOLD  but the concept of compulsory blanket holds is, in itself new.  What I have been asking for is an assurance from ebay that now all private sellers will be subject to a mandatory 14 day hold, will ebay take those 14 days in conjunction with all the other holds and use them to clear the account of any further holds it says are necessary?

Or will they hang onto the cash for 14 days and only then 'discover' that the seller is new / returning, or has a miss-placed comma in their bank details or (after many years of trouble-free selling)  ebay requires photo I.D?

Ebay should by now (how many years after MP was introduced and payment holds became so much more common) have systems in place to iron out any problems in hours (NOT days, weeks or even months).  I see NO evidence that ebays systems have improved in any way since then.  But ebay now has all private sellers money held to ransom for up to 14 days PLUS all the other reasons it uses.

My question remains:  Is the new hold to be used to clear the account of all the other holds ebay can impose, or is it going to be used to give ebay a 14 day extension to any of the other reasons it cares to choose? 

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[incredible_how]

There is the following about under £10

• For untracked, single-quantity, single-item orders priced £10 or less, funds will be available after positive feedback is received from the buyer, or 14 days from the order date, whichever comes first. 

Not that I've tried it out. Thinking of getting blood out of stone I think I might suggest that 50% of the time getting feedback is like getting blood out of a stone...

[vinylscot]

It's so easy to get trapped into circular thinking with this mess.

Yes, if a buyer buys multiple items for a seller, they will incur multiple postage charges - that's nothing new.

However, the 4% element of the BPF would not be applied to ANY of these postage amounts, so the buyer would save.

Obviously, in real life, like it or not, there will be all sorts of jiggery-pokery going on with bundles, refunds, etc., and other workarounds. However, they can all lead to suspicion on the part of buyers, who still don't believe eBay could possibly be so stupid as to make simple transactions so complicated. Buyers tend to assume sellers either don't know what they're doing, or are trying to pull a fast one.

There are other potential difficulties I can see, but they don't seem to have been touched on yet, so I'll leave them for the moment.

[incredible_how]

you are lucky with the scanning. I went through my account to add up last year what had been marked delivered and what not - if over £20 I always sent tracked. I am using tracked for everything at the moment. 

ebay slipped up and gave me money on the day an item was delivered last week!

[madeat136]

How does a buyer save ??A buyer bought 9 items from me that if purchased seperately would have cost £24.09 in postage costs .By combing the postage it cost them £3.39 48 hr tracked .This would have been the same cost prior to this nonsense .The extra cost to the buyer in this case was an EXTRA £11.48 BPF (just over an extra 28%)There is nothing fair or reasonable about that us there ?? Sent from my Galaxy

[theelench]

That's OK if the seller sells mostly under £10 items and if they get plenty of FB.  But I would guess it won't cover most private seller's transactions.

People are asking private sellers why they're so worried about a short delay in being paid out.  Completely ignoring the fact that 14 days could easily just be the beginning and the hold last much longer if ebays past performance is anything to go by.

[31theweavers]

It's another nail in my ebay selling! Do they not like small sellers? 

[vinylscot]

I think you've misread the situation we are talking about. Yes, there are obvious savings to be made by combining postage, but that's not what we were discussing. To keep it simple, we were sticking to simple transactions.

We were discussing the anomaly that people buying from sellers who advertise "free postage" now pay more than those who list their item price and postage price separately.

e.g. if an item is £6.00 with £4.00 postage, buyer pays £10.99

If the same item is listed at £10, with "free" postage, buyer pays £11.15

The difference is greater, the higher the postage amount is.

[thecraftersloftcouk]

I have had no sales this week, to me as a private seller the 75p on an item that is 3.50 is ridiculous, to me it seems like a con just another way for them to make money. I phoned them to ask why my payments were on hold, and they told me when the item is delivered they will release the funds, when I asked how do they know when its delivered when I put a stamp on the postage they said fund would be released in 2 weeks, so I asked would I get the interest on the money they are holding and they hung up on me. Just another way to make money. it will be their greed that gets them in the end.

[ruby*ryan]

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@thecraftersloftcouk wrote:

I have had no sales this week, to me as a private seller the 75p on an item that is 3.50 is ridiculous, to me it seems like a con just another way for them to make money. I phoned them to ask why my payments were on hold, and they told me when the item is delivered they will release the funds, when I asked how do they know when its delivered when I put a stamp on the postage they said fund would be released in 2 weeks, so I asked would I get the interest on the money they are holding and they hung up on me. Just another way to make money. it will be their greed that gets them in the end.

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Is that on a different account? This account, as a business, should not be subject to holds.

[zeldagate]

Yes I posted it on my business account by mistake but it should have been my private account

[ett1954]

You are also not subject to the Buyer Protection Fee as a registered business.

[maujohwai]

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@theelench wrote:

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@kath3735_wxmjn wrote:

Surely there was always a hold for new and returning sellers and the hold for ID verifications,  i recall many threads on here commenting about such holds.  The 14 day hold is the only new thing and it is up to the individual to decide on whether they will still use e bay because of it.  

Yes there has and they have always been applied for those specific reasons.  Yes the 14 day hold is the only new HOLD  but the concept of compulsory blanket holds is, in itself new.  What I have been asking for is an assurance from ebay that now all private sellers will be subject to a mandatory 14 day hold, will ebay take those 14 days in conjunction with all the other holds and use them to clear the account of any further holds it says are necessary?

Or will they hang onto the cash for 14 days and only then 'discover' that the seller is new / returning, or has a miss-placed comma in their bank details or (after many years of trouble-free selling)  ebay requires photo I.D?

Ebay should by now (how many years after MP was introduced and payment holds became so much more common) have systems in place to iron out any problems in hours (NOT days, weeks or even months).  I see NO evidence that ebays systems have improved in any way since then.  But ebay now has all private sellers money held to ransom for up to 14 days PLUS all the other reasons it uses.

My question remains:  Is the new hold to be used to clear the account of all the other holds ebay can impose, or is it going to be used to give ebay a 14 day extension to any of the other reasons it cares to choose? 

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You don't appear to have written a reply of your own, and I can't find any of this quoted text among @kath3735_wxmjn's replies. Did you accidentally overwrite the quote?

To nearly everybody else, please _do_ quote the comment you're replying to, since your reply won't be attached to it (unless there's a way of grouping comments that I haven't discovered), and without it, starting "The problem with what you suggest ...", for example, isn't very helpful.

[lexicon400]

Agreed. I was selling many items a week for the past year and I have sold a thing since. No one wants this fee and an odd purchase amount - combined with the fact we sellers don’t get money for DAYS now after a sale- I think this is the beginning of the end for eBay as the main marketplace

[kath3735_wxmjn]

my original comment was just the first paragraph, the rest is the response.

[wyntersemporium]

I buy charms and buy from the usual registered as a business ones I’ve got in my watched lists 

[wyntersemporium]

Shall miss you if you go 

[wyntersemporium]

Same here under a different name started eBay 1998 ish 

[papso22]

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@zeldagate wrote:

Yes I posted it on my business account by mistake but it should have been my private account

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When someone has a private account and a business account,  the private account is for getting rid of unwanted personal belongings.   There appears to be no such distinction between your two accounts.