The Death of Auctions?

Has anyone seen this gem to come soon in the summer update to affect auctions (my bold italics):

 

Reducing unpaid items

Placing a bid

Additionally, buyers on select auctions will be required to set up a preferred payment method and postal address before they can place a bid. After winning an auction, they’ll have one hour to adjust their order or payment details, otherwise we’ll automatically process their order using their preferred payment method. No action is required from the seller.

These changes will help to improve the auction process on eBay by providing buyers with the ability to decide how they want to pay, whilst also ensuring that sellers receive payment for their sales. The goal is to foster a more efficient and dependable experience for the entire eBay community.

 

From FAQs:

 

No changes are needed with how you set up your listings. You should expect to see fewer unpaid items on items sold through auctions as we test and launch changes.

 

You can still combine multiple purchases from the same buyer in a single shipment, but please be aware that a buyer may be automatically charged for postage costs for each individual item when payments are processed.

 

As a buyer, you may be prompted to provide a payment method and select a postal address prior to placing a bid on an auction. You'll have the ability to edit these details before the auction ends. If you win the auction, you'll be given a one hour period to make any changes. If no changes are made, we’ll automatically charge your default payment method. 

 

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There is no opt out mentioned for this 'feature'; without one it will be the end of auctions on eBay for me.  A few things immediately spring to mind.  I don't have problems with non-payers but I do have regular, long-standing buyers of 8 years or more who bid on items spanning across 10 days or even longer.  Combining multiple wins into one order is a necessity; especially with lower value items.

 

Many of my buyers are international and on a completely different time zone - what they win can determine how and where they want it sent (forwarding agents, etc.)  How do they respond in an hour if an auction is finishing at 3 am for them, or if they are at work, travelling, etc.

 

I had thought eBay had learnt their lesson from the debacle of immediate payments on Buy it Now listings.  My acceptance level from offers sent is now virtually nil.  What I do foresee is an increase in 'remorse' returns for business sellers running auctions in some sectors.  Sure we will see a lot less non-payers ..... this will be in conjunction with a lot less sales.

 

One final question for eBay - where is this supposed feedback you received stating sellers want this ........ nobody has asked me.  Has anyone on these boards been asked?  Please publish this data along with the agency you commissioned to carry out the research.

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It has gone pretty quiet.

 

Although the change was made to the site preferences page, with the addition of an opt-out option (despite what we were told by eBay), there haven't been any posts on this or the buyers' boards regarding the anticipated issues. I can only assume that it has not yet "gone live", as these issues WILL generate traffic on these boards.

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PayPal can be used as the stored payment for automatic payments (that's the way I pay) so no need to give card details to eBay.   Payment is processed in exactly the same way as normal so the only downside is not being able to combine purchases and use PayPal Pay In 3 or PayPal Credit. 

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Once you have no funds in Paypal, ebay will syphon your funds thru Paypal from your bank. 

Your Bank info will be protected when ebay are hacked, although i dont know if hackers will be able to syphon funds as described earlier.

Not having the ability to combine purchases is a very serious issue to a lot of buyers, im not in a frame of mind to refund all the additional postages ebay reap to the buyers, are ebay offering to pay sellers to work for them in performing tasks directly created by ebay?

 

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Ebay can only request the amount you have authorised from PayPal, nothing more.  If they were to take an incorrect amount then you can open a dispute with PayPal for unrecognised/unauthorised payment.

 

I rarely have any actual funds in my PayPal account, my purchases are all funded by my bank account via direct debit.  I receive a notification from PayPal of the amount they intend to take and when and they have never taken more than they should.  I also get a notification from my bank and if I don't agree with the amount being taken I can simply ask the bank to stop the direct debit or reverse it if it has already been taken (in accordance with the Direct Debit Guarantee).

 

I really can't see that there is anything unsafe in using PayPal? 

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Nothing new there, when our local salerooms went over to online platforms during the pandemic they all required a pre-authorisation of a debit/credit payment method to accept your registration. It's simply a case of 'Don't pay, we'll take it away' isn't it?

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I don't use any of the PP services you mention so losing them won't worry me.

 

I must have missed the PP option when I was asked for a payment method so next time I see the page I'll add my PP account.  Doing would be no different to how things were (for me) before ebay dumped PP to get MP started.

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Paypal is not the issue - they are a trusted entity over the years, I cant remember the last issue i had with Paypal.

ebay, however, is a different reptile, i cant remember the last time i didnt go a day without an issue.

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Not something i have experience of -

did they allow you time to accumulate items during the session / (s), kinda like combined purchases, and make one payment? Although i wouldn't imagine shipping is an issue, which would have had to be refunded by ? the sale room?, as is the scheme designed by ebay.

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I've been listing auctions exclusively for years; never had any real problems. I had an American buyer purchase three items over a couple of weeks, and I sent the combined invoice recently (well within the 30 day limit), however they tried three times to pay, and everytime it looked like it had gone through and then simply disappeared, only to later discover no payment was taken. I've never had that happen before, so I hope it's not related to the latest changes!

In the end, I had to split the invoice and send each one individually in order that the buyer might complete the transactions. Not at all practical.

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Why is there so little official response to this disaster of a scheme?

As a buyer i have not come across it yet, and as a seller, i keep checking the Preferences to make sure i dont get auto opted in as is the usual trait with ebay.

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This impacted me as a buyer the other day - I decided to put in a Best Offer on a listing (BIN), with the idea of converting my Nectar points to pay for it if it was accepted, as this scheme ends soon.  I was immediately hit with the "choose your payment method" screen and realised I'd need to convert the voucher before I made the offer if I wanted to use it.  I wasn't keen to convert the points in case I never found anything else to use them on and the seller refused my offer.  So I didn't bother making the offer.  I'm glad I took this off my listings, even though I was well aware of the scheme, I found it unpleasant to be pressured like that as a buyer.  And yesterday I had someone wanting combined postage, which would have been impossible to offer at the price I did had this diktat been on the listings.

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The "only" downside? It's a pretty humongous downside.

 

I will buy vastly fewer items above a certain amount if I can't use pay in 3. I doubt I'll be alone.

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I have just won and auction and there is a countdown 'Order will process automatically in ... minutes'. 

 

There is also a link to 'pay now' - but why bother clicking it if eBay are automatically going to initiate it, anyway...?

 

I've never seen this before so came on the boards to see if I could find out anything about this - they've obviously started rolling it out!

 

It doesn't really bother me too much atm, but I can see there being problems with buyers who need to wait for payday, or who buy multiple things from a seller over the course of a few days, etc.

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I realise this is primarily a thread for sellers but I will offer a buyers perspective. I encountered this process for the first time today when bidding on an item. Strangely, when I first submitted a bid Ebay did not request payment details but when I decided to raise my bid it did so. 

At first I was irked but on reflection I think that for some buyers this can be good. I don't bid at the last moment aka snipe and I dislike it when others do. This seems to cut down or eliminate that. Certainly there were no last moment bids, which I would have expected on this item, and I won the auction for a lower price than I anticipated.

I have never had a problem paying as soon as an auction finishes so thats not an issue for me. Only issue would seem to be with the combining postage for multiple auctions which I sometimes ask sellers to do. Only solution here is seller opt out if this is in place. Can a seller confirm if the opt out is available in the UK?

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You can change the payment method to PayPal within the one hour grace period before Ebay completes the sale automatically.

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Yes, the opt-out is available to UK sellers, I have used it.

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There is an opt out which I have initiated.  Only time will tell whether it works or whether sellers have to constantly check the box to see if eBay have auto-ticked the box as they have set it as the default setting.

 

I suspect the end result is that it will inhibit a fair percentage of buyers from even bidding as the function on Buy it Now listing seems to have done.

 

eBay seems to have an overriding desire to continue to drive buyers away from the site over this last few years.

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Well if it drives away other buyers than me I guess thats a good thing😊

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Only in the short term as sellers will eventually follow to find more profitable platforms on which to sell.

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Somebody noted that if you go to your buyer requirements (https://www.ebay.com/bmgt/buyerrequirements) there is a checkbox stating "Require buyers to provide a payment method before they place a bid ".

 

A previously posted link - BEWARE !! ebay keep changing the selection to opt you in, so you need to check regularly - Freedom of choice not high on priorities here still.

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