29-08-2024 12:46 PM
Just saw the new seller rules. I've got no issue with the reduction in free listings. But no more cash on collection I do mind. It means there is no way to make a buyer check on collection and once they accept it pay with no risk of them changing their mind later.
And will buyers be happy being forced to pay up front before they see an item?
16-09-2024 3:14 PM
@tressygirl wrote:what happens if a buyer does not bring the code, you message them later and they just ignore the request and there's no code to mark as collected?
How does one proceed to mark as collected?
Apparently you can't. Our warehouse staff were in the habit of asking the customer for their order details (their name, the item and quantity ordered) then matching that information to the eBay order confirmation which they held a copy of. The buyer would then sign the order confirmation before taking their goods.
I received a collection order before I realised eBay had made the change to requiring the collection code - the order is now stuck in "Awaiting dispatch" even though it has been collected. I have messaged the buyer asking for the code so hopefully they will provide it.
16-09-2024 3:32 PM
OK so as I understand it, the code now is vital, and either the buyer brings it or if they don't and are asked for it later disregarding the request, there is then, no way to mark as collected.
Oh boy hope then there's no loophole to claim an item not received.
Mmmm seems not to bode well.
16-09-2024 3:49 PM
@tressygirl wrote:
Oh boy hope then there's no loophole to claim an item not received.
eBay's Money Back Guarantee policy still states a signed order confirmation is proof the item was collected.
19-09-2024 11:09 PM
Normalacy is about to change on October 1st
from that date onwards seller is expected to hand over the item but does not get any money until buyer goes home and tells ebay they have received their item. ( assuming they can be bothered, after all how many buyers bother to leave feedback ? unless it's negative )
and even then ebay will make you refund the buyer in full if buyer makes an item not as described claim (for whatever reason they fancy) upto 30 days after collecting the item.
an exchange of cash for goods will no longer be allowed as that is somehow deemed "unsafe for seller"
1984 doublespeak !
let's see how that works out when millions of sellers quit selling on ebay.
those sellers are usually also buyers, so ebay is going to loose millions of buyers as well as millions of sellers.
19-09-2024 11:14 PM
app?
i and most of my pensioner friends don't own or know how to use a smartphone
19-09-2024 11:19 PM
i have a Sony P900
first ever smart phone
was obsolete in about 2005
but still makes phone calls and plays a very good game of chess
19-09-2024 11:34 PM
I used to think that, 99% of the time it's true
99% of time its seller ( meaning me ) who always gets stuffed
and then one day i drive 100 miles to collect a record player in alleged excellent condition £280
that seller insisted needs pp payment in advance before collection
it was smashed and glued together with araldite around back and underneath with parts missing
i refused to accept it and drove 100 miles home
i then tried to get my money back
and became the very unlucky 1% when ebay somehow sided with the seller who said i took it away after examining it.
20-09-2024 3:11 PM
So do we put on listings item may only be collected if seller supplies collection code on pickup ?
20-09-2024 3:15 PM
Do you mean if buyer supplies code on pick up?
It does seem to be the only way to mark an item as dispatched, and if the buyer doesn't bring this code, you can send them a message to send it, to enter it manually.
If that fails and they don't reply with the code....? Now, here is where the grey area appears ! I cannot find the answer, how does one then mark as dispatched, how does one prove item has been collected ?
20-09-2024 3:30 PM
Yes buyer 🙂 Well in that case I'll put a note in my listings and also fire a message off saying please do not forget to have your collection code available otherwise I will be unable to complete the sale.
No way am I going to let someone walk away with an expensive item then be beholding on them to maybe supply the code later !
20-09-2024 3:44 PM
Yes, I've read that update (only because it's been mentioned on these boards - I haven't had an email from eBay about this, or about the other recent/imminent changes), and I share your and other sellers' concerns.
I was planning on doing quite a few collection-only listings (e. g. large magazine job lots), but this has put me right off.
I totally agree about the 1984 doublespeak. This change is detrimental to sellers, and tips the already unbalanced scales even more in favour of buyers (I have no problem whatsoever with the majority, who are decent folk, but this will be a minefield for sellers unlucky enough to sell collection-only to unscrupulous buyers).
eBay selling already involves a lot of trust, hope and uncertainty, especially for smaller volume / genuine private sellers who cannot absorb a loss; this is going to make it even more stressful.
The thought of having to arrange a return for several heavy boxes of magazines, or whatever, fills me with dread, and it would feel all the more personal for the fact that the buyer has come to your home, chatted with you, and left apparently satisfied and happy.
If there is one recent change I desperately wish eBay would reconsider (some hope), it's this one.
20-09-2024 4:08 PM
I totally agree. The new rule should come with a warning - "Seller Beware, this may result in material & financial loss if buyers milk the system".
I cannot see how Ebay think accepting cash is an unsafe practice for sellers, they still, I believe, allow it for motors etc in classified ads.
20-09-2024 4:54 PM
I believe that ebay don't want the 'privateers' , the cash-on-collection-ers' or the hobby sellers of collectables etc anymore.
I've got a suspicion they only want businesses -the larger the better- posting brand new blister-packed plastic things. This means ebay wouldn't need much in the way of customer service and nearly *everything* could be sorted automatically; meaning less costs and more profit for ebay.
Those sort of large businesses can afford to pay off the occasional INR scammer without kicking up a fuss and wanting CS help to solve the problem. (Large business have enough profit to keep a sort of financial buffer for refunds and see it as a cost of doing business)
I'm rather sad at seeing ebay turning away from the original idea of private people selling each other allsorts of odd/interesting/hard-to-find-in-the-shops/second-hand bargain sort of things.....😞
20-09-2024 5:15 PM
I think you are unfortunately right, They are trying to turn into another Amazon.
20-09-2024 7:38 PM
"i and most of my pensioner friends don't own or know how to use a smartphone" (*enterprise-ncc-1701*, post 45)
Therein lies just one of the potential pitfalls, and I say this with no disrespect meant to those who don't have a smartphone, or who have one but aren't confident using it (or those who have one, but don't have the app installed, or aren't used to navigating around eBay). And, of course, the foregoing does not apply exclusively (or wholly) to pensioners. Even if they had a smartphone with the app installed, some buyers would understandably be reluctant, unwilling even, to allow the seller to use their phone to try and find the collection code on their behalf.
With my last three cash on collection sales, all of the buyers had a smartphone with them, but none of them could locate the collection code, not for want of trying. One of them didn't seem very confident using their phone, whereas the other two did. I can't remember how many of them had the app, but I know that at least one did. The critical thing is that none of them, even the more savvy ones, were able to find the code*. Thanks to tressygirl, I remembered that I could mark the items as 'Dispatched', which, as they point out, is equivalent to 'Collected' (even here, the process is not intuitive - why can't eBay's coders add a 'Collected' option?). I did this, and, thankfully, had my funds released. This was a last resort, though; I'd much rather have been able to enter the code. At present, it's not at all clear whether that option will remain for the seller. The worrying indications (going by what I have read) are that it will not, and that confirmation of collection will be entirely dependent on the buyer (or buyer and seller together) performing the necessary actions.
* Obviously, if a buyer doesn't have the app, then there's no chance of them - or the seller - finding the code anyway.
The QR code scan / six-digit code entry options require both seller and buyer to have the app installed, which in itself is potentially problematic. eBay could partially mitigate this by sending the buyer a 'proper' email containing the QR code and six-digit code, rather than just on-site message (sorry if I'm splitting hairs, but the latter is not an email per se), in other words, an email to the buyer's email account. This would at least increase the pool of buyers able to locate the code, bypassing the need for them to go onto eBay itself. Whether eBay will start doing this come 1st October remains to be seen, but at present I can see no indication that they will.
Sorry if I sound like a doom-monger, but, as tressygirl says in post 42, this change does not bode well. Cash on collection is one of the few areas (the only one, even?) where there is greater parity between sellers and buyers, due to the inability of an unscrupulous buyer to abuse the MBG once they have inspected the item to their satisfaction, handed over their dosh, and taken the item home. Sellers will now have that safety net removed.
I'm surprised that this imminent change has not been asked about more on the Weekly Chat. The last one only had thirteen posts (including eBay replies), the quietest one I've seen. I suppose members have been out enjoying the weather, or perhaps dealing with an increase in sales. I imagine that the former is more likely! Not that I'm expecting others to do the asking; I myself was busy, and, to be honest, I completely forgot about the WC, only getting round to reading it earlier today. Apart from being busy, another reason could be that members, sellers especially, are seeing eBay's often less-than-helpful replies, and are thinking "Why even bother?" - EDDs being a prime example. But I think that last Wednesday's lull is a case of 'calm before the storm'.
Instead of going ahead with my collection-ony listings, I will monitor these boards to see how things are panning out for those made of sterner stuff (mainly sellers who are already experienced in conducting collection-only sales where the buyer pays prior to collection, or upon collection but not with cash). I'm pretty sure that many other sellers, nervous like myself, will do the same. Consequently, there will be a significant drop in collection-only listings. And I'll be far from astonished to see an increase in posts from stressed and frustrated sellers saying that they or their buyers are unable to finalize sales, or that they are having to deal with returns for items that unscrupulous buyers have inspected to their apparent satisfaction, and taken home with them.
Apologies if I'm repeating what others have said on this thread. Not only do I take way too long 'composing' my longer posts, but I lost my original text (not for the first time - on this occasion I accidentally closed the tab) and have had to reconstruct it from memory. I can be verbose at the best of times, but my original text was at least expressed more clearly and succinctly! I can see that there have been several posts since I embarked on this one, so I'll sign off in a minute or five, and get up to speed with them before posting again.
As someone who had been intending to list quite a few things as cash on collection, I feel very strongly about this change, and have plenty to say on the matter, so expect me to rear my ugly head frequently! I feel for those sellers whose sales are (soon to be 'were') mainly or totally comprised of cash on collection; this is a real kick in the teeth for them.
20-09-2024 8:33 PM
Hmmm... I'm one of the few remaining non-smartphone people myself (I do this and everything else on my lappy) and I'm not that old .... well, I don't think so anyway 😆
'Spose I'll be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century soon; when it becomes impossible to park a car, get a dr's appt., do a tax return or get a train ticket without one 😒
20-09-2024 10:32 PM
Hi, I did acknowledge in the first paragraph that not all non-smartphone users are pensioners (and that some pensioners are smartphone users). Maybe you missed that line in my dense block of text. Or maybe you didn't, and I misinterpreted your first sentence, and am now being unnecessarily defensive!
I probably wouldn't be able to get by without my smartphone nowadays, and I feel rather ashamed when I think how much I depend on it (and how long I spend on it). So many things require you to have one, or are made easier if you have one (except when you forget it, or have no battery life, or hit a data black spot etc.). It's a source of anxiety in so many ways. I'm constantly charging mine in case the tired battery conks out and I've forgotten to bring my charger (or have nowhere to plug it in). I'm always worried about stuff no longer working (it's at least 8 years old, with very little memory left available, and running on an old version of Android with no option to update it). Not to mention the ever-present worry of losing or damaging it. It's definitely a modern millstone around my neck!
I definitely rely on mine more than I'd like to, and I feel a kind of admiration for, and envy of, people who manage perfectly well without one. It's bad enough that we have to increasingly rely on computers (e.g. my local train station no longer has printed timetables; the operator expects travellers to check times online). Despite the fact that I'm fairly comfortable with technology, I firmly believe that people shouldn't be forced - through the removal of other options - into using computers, smartphones and apps (even if they're comfortable doing so).
We've gone a little off-topic, but not completely - one of my bugbears about collection-only sales is that eBay assumes that sellers and buyers all have smartphones with their app installed. It's not even an app that has the full 'functionality' of the website, yet you have to have the app for the collection code, so to do everything you might need to do eBay-wise, you have to use both the app and the website.
I was reasonably young (as I get older, the more I realize how relative that word is!) when PCs, the internet and mobile phones (which were yet to become 'smart') became commonplace. It was new, fresh and exciting. Whole new worlds of possibility were opened up, hyperbolic though that sounds. Now we take it for granted, the generation below mine knows no different, and I sound like an old fogey when I say that a large part of me yearns for the simpler times of ringing people on a landline, writing letters, and discovering music by chancing upon it in a shop or having a friend give you a compilation tape, rather than an algorithm deciding what you'll like!
Okay, I definitely am veering into unrelated territory now, time to put my nostalgia back in its cage.
20-09-2024 10:49 PM
For what they're worth, here are some observations on the 'Collection in person' help pages for buyers and sellers (I thought I'd better post this separately, my earlier one was long enough!):
The help page for buyers states:
"After you’ve completed your purchase, we’ll send an email with a collection code (a QR code and a 6 digit code) to your Messages. You can either print off your email or show the seller the message on the app when you collect your item. The seller will scan or enter the code on the eBay app to confirm you’ve collected your item." [my bold text]
The seller help page states:
"For proof of collection you can:
Use the eBay app to scan the QR code the buyer received through email
Use the eBay app to manually enter the 6-digit code the buyer received through email
Ask the buyer to confirm they’ve collected in person through the item’s order details" [my bold again]
Note the disparities between the two pages:
The seller page doesn't mention an order printout, and the buyer page doesn't actually mention the requirement for the buyer to sign the printout (which is hardly a failsafe method, in any event, as has previously been discussed). Potential issues aside, I guess we should be glad that eBay offers an alternative to the QR code scan / collection code entry, but eBay is typically obtuse in not making the requirement to sign explicit (it's arguably implicit, but that's not good enough for a dedicated help article). Conversely, the buyer page says nothing about the buyer confirming collection via the order details.
For consistency, the order printout (plus buyer's signature) option should also be mentioned on the seller help page, and the 'confirm via order details' option should also be mentioned on the buyer page, especially considering this is something that they, not the seller, would need to do. Regarding the latter option, some guidance on how to do this would not go amiss.
Hopefully, once the change goes live, the pages will be rewritten, and will be clearer and more consistent, but I'm not holding my breath.
21-09-2024 2:47 AM
Those help pages definitely need updating.
The app is no longer required by the seller to enter the code, it can be done on a PC now.
In addition to receiving the code by messages/email the buyer can also find it in their order details.
The option for the seller to mark as despatched has now been removed.
I don't know if the buyer still has the ability to mark as collected.
21-09-2024 5:33 AM
I agree the help pages like most help pages are terribly out of date.
I too doubt a buyer can mark as collected, would be great if a buyer can come along and confirm this for us!
Can we also have confirmation that for those without smartphones and apps that a print out of the order details and a signature from the buyer is sufficient, but then, can the item be marked as dispatched? I believe only the code has the power to do this. Does money released depend on the item being marked dispatched?
It can be added manually but what if the buyer does not bring the code and won't answer messages to send it, how does the seller mark as dispatched please kat@ebay dave@ebay marco@ebay anita@ebay