ICYMI - Last Minute Buyer Fee Change, Will Be Phased In Starting With Electronics

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In case you missed it - eBay will *not* be adding Buyer Fees in all categories tomorrow, instead opting for a phased rollout starting in Electronics and then expanding to other categories "in the following weeks."

The update was tucked into a broader announcement posted to the community earlier today:

https://community.ebay.co.uk/t5/Announcements/Buyer-Protection-Pok%C3%A9mon-Day-VAT-invoices-amp-oth...

Starting from 4 February, Buyer Protection will be live to give buyers more peace of mind when shopping on ebay.co.uk. To minimise any potential disruption on our platform, the Buyer Protection fee will be gradually rolled out across items listed by private sellers, starting in Electronics and coming to all eligible categories in the following weeks.

[carrotdrusus2]

All companies reach a peak , then they either acquire or start to die.

Peak ebay was during Covid. This is a mad scramble to try and recover something that has gone fore ever.

They should be looking at diversifying or specialising with acquisition , instead of desperate measures to increase revenue.

If I was Ebay I would look at a flat rate of 15% sales fee, scrap the terms business and private and give sellers up to 200000 listings a month and after that charge. You can offer a store fee of £50 a month in association with a reduced % of say 13 .Out of all the Ebay companies in the world and their differing platform fees , the Australian company probably is the most attractive to sellers, pretty much along these lines.

[cspurchasing]

I am the buyer. I thought the price the buyer would pay, is the price they would see, 4% included?

[papso22]

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@lucy_farmer wrote:

'I can't help but wonder if they have/will be crossing any legal boundaries with their new proposals'

I'm fairly certain that ebay are not going to leave themselves open to any legal problems.

Ebay are an American Mega-Corps and they will be lawyered up to the eyeballs with some of the worlds most expensive lawyers.

The sort of legals who can say that black is actually white in a court of law and get a judge to agree with them..!

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Unfortunately that message isn't what the back room 'lawyers' with their 'it can't be legal' squeals don't want to hear.

And they all seem to want someone else to take action!

[doumind_7]

Yes sorry didn't read it properly. The messages are pouring in!

[bittyboy101]

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@vintique*violet wrote:

Correct only 100 per day allowed, thank you anyhow - it is  noticed they also reverse  helpful " kudos" not that I am here for any " kudos" just factual communication. Have a lovely evening. 

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Sorry I missed this message last night.

Thank you so much Violet 🙂

Have a great day too 🙂 

[bittyboy101]

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@doumind_7 wrote:

Thank you for your support.

Statistically for every person who takes the time to complain 10 do not.

EBay are really getting themselves in the ***t over this. They've lost the plot.

Keep up the pressure!

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You're welcome 😎

[jdaw-2564]

No, I mean a kick in the teeth for business sellers as these private business sellers get to continue undercutting business sellers and operating as businesses without the fees or responsibilities, because eBay bottled it 👍 If eBay actually bothered to police these accounts I wouldn't care.

[papso22]

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@andha-21 wrote:

Yes, possibly, but isn't that exactly the same thought process the mega corps are hoping for?

There's an example that's been rattling through my head for a few days now but for the life of me I can't remember the exact name of the company. I know they are a "taxi" provider and their "non employees" recently won a case against them giving them employment rights. At least in the UK. 

That they will use the subtleties of language to try and present something in their favour does not change the end image/reality in front of you. 

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It was Uber, also look at Pimlico Plumbers, but there are absolutely no comparisons with the way ebay deals with sellers and how those organisations dealt with workers.  Even if by an almighty stretch there were some vague similarities, it would be the sole trader businesses that would be impacted.

[andha-21]

My point/example was more to emphasize that being a  lawyered up mega corp that tries not to leave themselves open to litigation isn't the same as actually being one.

What I see with Simple Delivery is them dictating exactly how I have to send something. How is that any different to Amazon telling their production line workers how to pack? Neither their workers or the private sellers here have/will have any say on the cost of postage, so that side is the same and it looks like the other side will be too. Remarkable similarities considering how they are obviously supposed to be "different".

[lovewoodbridge]

Many private sellers, like me, can never be competition to business sellers as we are selling unique (and often rare) items from our decades old collections.

Ebay's focus should be on those who are clearly flaunting the rules instead of tarring all private sellers with the same brush. 

[moldosgifts]

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@cspurchasing wrote:

I am the buyer. I thought the price the buyer would pay, is the price they would see, 4% included?

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That is how it is supposed to work so yes.

With a break down at the point of payment "tax,  this buyer fee, item price and what ever else makes up the price you pay"

But the main price will be what your paying is what will be displayed in the listing

[suelel1968]

What ebay were trying to implement is excactly the same as the Vin ted model so totally tried and tested legally. It has become a farce. I can't find a single listing with buyer fees. Can anyone else? 

[cspurchasing]

Thanks, as I understood it. Hence my question with regards to when it goes live for 'Electronics', because  I see no incongruous pricing as yet.

[bittyboy101]

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@suelel1968 wrote:

What ebay were trying to implement is excactly the same as the Vin ted model so totally tried and tested legally. It has become a farce. I can't find a single listing with buyer fees. Can anyone else? 

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I think they get added at checkout when a buyer goes to pay... something like how they show a cheaper listing price for Chinese stuff in China and when you go to pay, you then see an inflated price which includes VAT. 

[moldosgifts]

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@suelel1968 wrote:

What ebay were trying to implement is excactly the same as the Vin ted model so totally tried and tested legally. It has become a farce. I can't find a single listing with buyer fees. Can anyone else? 

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Its is on electricals and you wont see it it is included already.

[moldosgifts]

And you wont see anything it's not a displayed thing it is already included in the price.

[wakesweek]

This point has probably been made elsewhere, but in my view eBay indicating with this new fee that buyers using the site need "protection" is not a good look, and potentially off putting to prospective purchasers

[papso22]

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@bittyboy101 wrote:

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@suelel1968 wrote:

What ebay were trying to implement is excactly the same as the Vin ted model so totally tried and tested legally. It has become a farce. I can't find a single listing with buyer fees. Can anyone else? 

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I think they get added at checkout when a buyer goes to pay... something like how they show a cheaper listing price for Chinese stuff in China and when you go to pay, you then see an inflated price which includes VAT. 

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Surely you have read some of the stuff ebay has put out about this and that other members have confirmed?

It is not added on at checkout, it is separated out at checkout.  The buyer will pay the price they see on the listing.  

[ioweddie]

It would be a little fairer if it was for items listed over £10...Not fair on small items listed at £3.99 for example as it makes it too expensive

[bittyboy101]

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@papso22 wrote:

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@bittyboy101 wrote:

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@suelel1968 wrote:

What ebay were trying to implement is excactly the same as the Vin ted model so totally tried and tested legally. It has become a farce. I can't find a single listing with buyer fees. Can anyone else? 

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I think they get added at checkout when a buyer goes to pay... something like how they show a cheaper listing price for Chinese stuff in China and when you go to pay, you then see an inflated price which includes VAT. 

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Surely you have read some of the stuff ebay has put out about this and that other members have confirmed?

It is not added on at checkout, it is separated out at checkout.  The buyer will pay the price they see on the listing.  

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To be honest, Moment eBay told me that they will be delaying payments even further (2 days after a confirmed delivery or 14 days after an unconfirmed delivery)  plus this new awful FORCED Managed Delivery rule, I lost interest in eBay altogether.   

I only follow these threads and reply out of fun - There is nothing here for me on eBay anymore.

Delayed payments and someone else incharge of arranging the delivery of my items does not work for me.