03-01-2025 11:53 AM
I'm a private seller. Items I sell are between £2.90 - £10. Is It just me or will ebay's new Buyers' protection fee from the 4th Feb make it near impossible to sell competitively. A few months ago Ebay got rid of Sellers' fees for private sellers, which was a welcome move. But this new change and getting rid of multi-buy discount for private sellers will make it worse than it was with the original fees.
04-01-2025 10:18 AM
@g1dgl there are quite a few expandable answers on that page.
I would like to see a clearer explanation of the auction process and the transparency they have stated.
In a B&M auction house it’s not visible until auction close, but I would hope eBay don’t think that’s the model to follow.
Jo
04-01-2025 10:18 AM
@bojangled wrote:@mitchiemasha from the FAQ page. Just one 75p fee but 2 x 4%
Item price set by the seller for multi-quantity listing
(£5 per item, quantity = 2)£10
Buyer Protection fee variable (4% of £5, x 2)
£0.40
Buyer Protection flat fee
£0.75
Price that buyer sees for the listing
£11.15 + postage
Jo
Thanks
However, if buyers perceive they are being railroaded into paying a fee for which they receive no actual benefit, then they will (wrongly) consider business seller purchases are inflated in the same opaque way.
This ebay quote from a private seller's listed item: "Registered as a private seller
Thereby, consumer rights stemming from EU consumer protection law do not apply. eBay buyer protection still applies to most purchases."
So buyer protection now has to be purchased by the buyer?
Personally, in private seller mode, I would be happy paying the old style transaction fee. As a buyer, metaphorically, I have little interest in being surcharged for carrying my own bag onto the plane. Consumer dissatisfaction used to be something to be avoided.
04-01-2025 10:24 AM
@rsbrickshop at the same time they announced free to sell in October they did announce that buyers fees would be applied in Q1, it obviously got lost in the excitement for many sellers.
I do feel for genuine low value item private sellers, it does seem that these are not what eBay want going forward.
Jo
04-01-2025 10:36 AM
"Businesses make losses, that does not mean they are not a business."
Conversely, private individuals can make good profits and that does NOT make them a business.
The irony here is that when you buy things to sell (like it was later proven) the profits are usually far less than those 'personal possessions' you've had hanging about at home for years.
My most profitable sales have been freebies like old railway leaflets or 1980s home computing leaflets. Those cost nothing so ALL of the income is profit.
If I sell on a toy car for £50 having paid £45 for it a few years back there's not much profit at all. Obviously, it was bought to sell, only much later.
As is often the case, if the sums are thousands or millions nobody bats an eyelid. But if they're pennies suddenly there's all manner of tax to pay.
04-01-2025 10:42 AM
No doubt for private sale collectors and casuals selling small value items this will be a blow. But I did a bit of maths and what I conclude (If I have understood the new structure correctly) is it is the low value items where you will get charged a lot more (proportionately) of your sale price under the new fees structure.
But it sort of depends what you call "low value". On a £10 sale you will get paid out £8.85 so that's approximatley 11.5% in fees. On £50 it comes to a £47.25 payout = approx 5.5% fees. (I've put a table below with other examples based on different sale prices.)
My conclusion is that under £10 final value, these sales will be much less attractive to make, but once you hit the £10 mark its not unreasonable; Compare to traditional auction house fees which are rarely less than 15% plus VAT on the 15% and a buyers fee on the other end.
The proof of receipt/delivery provision to get payouts in less than 14 days will kill some trade off because the cost of tracked posting is disproportionate to getting the money a week or so faster for small items. Also the factor of waiting longer to get cash released will put some people off.
(PS: The email I have received says the new fee is based on the item price and not on the postage too: If anyone knows different pls let everyone know: I just adjusted my posting prices down to exclude the fees we used to get charged on postage!)
Anyhow hope these thoughts and the numbers below help people consider their options.
Please discuss if you see flaws in my workings. Let's help as many of us as we can help work through the changes.
Sale Price | 75p+4% | %age | Net proceeds |
£1.50 | £0.81 | 54.0% | £0.69 |
£2.00 | £0.83 | 41.5% | £1.17 |
£5.00 | £0.95 | 19.0% | £4.05 |
£10.00 | £1.15 | 11.5% | £8.85 |
£15.00 | £1.35 | 9.0% | £13.65 |
£20.00 | £1.55 | 7.8% | £18.45 |
£30.00 | £1.95 | 6.5% | £28.05 |
£50.00 | £2.75 | 5.5% | £47.25 |
04-01-2025 10:54 AM
Ebay said to me if you list of £10 you still get £10 ? new fees are in the price which makes no sense, so has to be on top ,not sure about postage
04-01-2025 10:56 AM
I thought that the buyer was presented with a price based on what a seller had listed an item for.
In other words item prices 72p + Ebay fees on top (75p fixed plus 3p variable) = £1.50.
So the seller would get a tiny bit more but still probably not enough to make selling low value items worthwhile.
04-01-2025 11:15 AM
if you look for the
We've learned through historical data that most packages are delivered within this timeframe, so it allows enough time for the buyer to receive their item ,so will this apply to
04-01-2025 11:25 AM
Yes, I know about the 'badges of trade' etc and yes it's easy to spot people buying lots of new stuff in different sizes etc.... my problems are more about 'collectors' .
(my husband is a coin and stamp collector so it's very easy to possess 1000's of £'s worth of stuff in quite a small space)
A lot of collected stuff is also inherited stuff and gifted stuff, so receipts are *not* going to be available wether taxman wants to see them or not....
People of our ages (late middle age-to-getting old!) would rather not be accused of being fake private sellers and defrauding the HMRC when, basically we are 'Swedish Death Cleaning' 😅
04-01-2025 11:39 AM
@lucy_farmer wrote:my problems are more about 'collectors' .
(my husband is a coin and stamp collector so it's very easy to possess 1000's of £'s worth of stuff in quite a small space)
People of our ages (late middle age-to-getting old!) would rather not be accused of being fake private sellers and defrauding the HMRC when, basically we are 'Swedish Death Cleaning' 😅
And what about people who collect things that the Tax Man doesn't collect? I bet that most tax men (and women) know someone at their golf club who collects coins or stamps so when a tax payer claims that they are selling off a collection of these then they may well believe them.
However, I collect Waveguide - rectangular metal pipes used in radars. I would be prepared to place quite a reasonable bet that there isn't a single tax man/woman in the UK who has ever heard of waveguide, let alone could imagine that anyone might collect such things.
I've had most of my collection for more than 30 years and got them mostly as gifts from friends in the business or by dumpster diving so there are no receipts. I've got quite a few duplicates and a nice piece can easily fetch 50 quid. If I start selling these off and the tax man/woman comes sniffing round I can see them not believing me!
04-01-2025 11:41 AM
As most private sellers list their items as auction, it's up to the buyer to decide what they want to pay.
04-01-2025 11:42 AM
I'm in a similar position, have got thousands of things but am not a business, merely someone who's been custodian of lots of old things.
Not sure how to flog the cheap stuff but it seems that after February Ebay will no longer want to see it on here.
A lot of the records are already going to charity, and probably from there to landfill, which is a shame. But if a price of 99p was not worth wasting a mailing envelope on then there's not much chance me listing for 23p.
I have coins and stamps too but they won't be appearing on here.
04-01-2025 12:08 PM
'However, I collect Waveguide - rectangular metal pipes used in radars. I would be prepared to place quite a reasonable bet that there isn't a single tax man/woman in the UK who has ever heard of waveguide, let alone could imagine that anyone might collect such things.'
Never heard of 'Waveguide'! but I'm very used to people (hubby and his like-minded mates) collecting other weird 'techy' bit and bobs; stuff like ancient valves out of elderly industrial equipment and so-on, and you're right, taxman wouldn't have a flamin' clue....😒
p.s. don't suppose you want to buy a 'pitot-static tube' do you..😂
04-01-2025 12:14 PM
not to mention you will have to wait 2 full weeks to even get that money. as i doubt you will post something using royal mails cheapest tracked about £2.50 for something that you sold for £1.50
04-01-2025 12:18 PM
"item not received claims ? they never have before"
If using Simple Delivery INR will no longer exist for you. A buyer not receiving the item will be refunded via ebay not you. So the question now is... when simple delivery is mandatory for private sellers, does this mean private sellers will be paid upon scanning the item into the system, as there's now no issue of a lost item on the sellers part. If this is the case, I'm guessing mandatory simple delivery will be seen (pitched) as the saviour for those late payments, with SD being a faster way to unleash your funds.
GSP is paid upon delivery to the sorting centre, so it may work out the same.
04-01-2025 12:24 PM
But it is not really on buyers is it, if it makes smaller items too expensive then the buyers will just not buy the items, so this puts it onto the sellers, either make zero sales or reduce the amount to less than what you want or need so the end price looks lower to the buyer...sellers lose out each way.
but its not just the fees added its the tracked postage needed to post or you will need to wait 2 weeks for any money to be seen
04-01-2025 12:28 PM
@dantwocats wrote:Ebay said to me if you list of £10 you still get £10 ? new fees are in the price which makes no sense, so has to be on top ,not sure about postage
If you sell for £10 the buyer pays £11.15 for the item and you get £10
04-01-2025 12:31 PM
@mitchiemasha wrote:"item not received claims ? they never have before"
If using Simple Delivery INR will no longer exist for you. A buyer not receiving the item will be refunded via ebay not you. So the question now is... when simple delivery is mandatory for private sellers, does this mean private sellers will be paid upon scanning the item into the system, as there's now no issue of a lost item on the sellers part. If this is the case, I'm guessing mandatory simple delivery will be seen (pitched) as the saviour for those late payments, with SD being a faster way to unleash your funds.
GSP is paid upon delivery to the sorting centre, so it may work out the same.
Do you have a link to that part please, as there are conflicting statements being made.
Some say eBay will refund buyers from now on (from their own funds?) and some are still saying the seller will refund the buyer.
04-01-2025 12:36 PM - edited 04-01-2025 12:37 PM
Difficult times ahead?
04-01-2025 12:39 PM
It is not going to be worth selling small items. The cheapest postage for a large 2nd class letter tracked will be £2.70. Then you have to add on the buyer's protection which could be over £1.
You could of course send it untracked, then wait up to 2 weeks for your money.
Of course, by sending things untracked, your sales fall at the feet of scammers. No tracking, no proof. I am sure we have all at some point fallen victim to a buyer saying they didn’t receive their sale. I think there will be an increase in these types of claims. EBay has well and truly thrown private sellers under the bus. 😢