i had to kill a bird

[hightara]

a little starling........i tried to warm him up... managed to give him a few drops of water........ but the poor thing was just lying there waiting to die.

not telling you what i done..........as it has upset me so much... all this at 7.00am:_|

[mandymoosie]

Tara now you listen please to the Moosie one 🙂

What you did was for the best, for that little bird that was suffering, all of us on here, your friends, know that you acted out of the kindness of your heart :-x

Now you just pick yourself up, hold your head up high and be proud of what you done the same as we're all proud of you 😄

Thankfully, I didn't see the offending post but I can well imagine the content of it.

It is, indeed, quite all right for everyone to hold their own opinions, but what is NOT all right, is when a nasty attack is launched just because one opinion doesn't match yours!!!

We all have the right to voice our opinions, but in a pleasant way and not one which is going to hurt and upset somebody else because of their opinion, that is just NOT ON!!!

I had to think for a while whether to post this or not as I don't wish to fuel the debate, but I just felt, in the end, that I had to say what I have to say.

Sometimes it's good for us all to sit back for a moment and think before we take action as once that action is taken, it can't be reversed and damage if often done.

I've only known Tara and the other lovely ladies here for a short while, but I can tell you now, that they are all, indeed, the nicest, most caring ladies you will ever meet :-x

Whilst I can understand that animals can become a very emotive subject, perhaps you would do better by putting your actions towards the people in this country who wilfully abuse animals and continually manage to get away with it!! those are the people we should all be targeting!!

You have no need, or indeed right, to attack Tara, her actions were to PREVENT AN ANIMAL FROM SUFFERING!!! She did it out of total kindness and care. Yes you can have your opinion, but I truly do think that you owe Tara an apology for the upset you have caused.

You go Tara...........we all lubs ya loads :-x :-x :-x

[huggles1253]

:-x

Blimey Moosie, have you been on the iron jelloids! Well,said!

[mandymoosie]

:^O:-x

[ilove2patch]

Well said indeed! :-x

[mandymoosie]

:-x

[chickengrandma-2008]

 I can't actually see a post from tara saying that she's upset about anything.:|  She's sad she needed to kill it, but I think she thinks she did the right thing.  I don't think that poster has upset her.  Perhaps it was in the pulled posts that I didn't see.:|

Said very nicely and not at all confrontationally.:-)  (is that a word?)

[mandymoosie]

I think we may have missed some posts CG so we're kind of having to read between the lines 🙂

[huggles1253]

CG a lot of posts have gone. 

[chickengrandma-2008]

Oh, ok. 😐

[lurkingisover]

Can I just put the record straight and then you can all carry on with the insults towards me.  Firstly, I have better things to do than button push anyone on here.  I've received quite a few slaps today too.

If you look at my post which is #12 at the moment I have already apologised if my comments upset Tara.  My first post was in no way rude nor was it an attack on Tara.  I just said there were, in my opinion better ways to deal with the situation.  I wouldn't have bothered to comment if Tara had kept to her promise in her first post that she wouldn't say how she killed the bird.  When I saw she had bashed it's head I felt I was entitled to voice my opinion as it really upset me.  I did suggest taking injured birds etc., to a vet who can do it humanly.  Some people I know, would rather nature take its course and I respect that view.

I'm not a twit nor do I have a stone to crawl under as Huggles suggested. If you want to carry on the insults to me, go ahead, I'm not going to lower myself by replying again. It seems that if someone has an opinion which differs to their friends on here they don't stand much of a chance.  No wonder not many people post on here anymore and so many of the regulars have gone.

Once again, I never meant to upset Tara, I just had a different point of view.  She did what she thought was best at the time.  I might not agree but I respect that.

[huggles1253]

So you have to bring it all up again! In which case I will have to report your post again. I think it has been made more than clear to you that your comments have been very upsetting to Hightara. She makes no secret that she has a delicate mental state that has sometimes become serious in the most extreme way. You will of course know that as you are so proud of your lurker status. I think you will find that most people on here are animal lovers, me probably least so, but foremost we value the life of people and your continued bleating on about your right to 'your opinion' could push her too far. She has been very upset by you. Please stop criticising something that has the support of the majority on here.

[kiss*my*pixel]

CG a lot of posts have gone. 

Have just joined thread, haven't read all posts, but clearly a contentious issue? Could I add my two'pennorth (again, reading between the lines, and guessing a bit)?

Tara - whatever anyone has said to upset you, you have absolutely done nothing wrong. You did the right thing and you should feel proud that you ended that little bird's suffering.

The number of little creatures that my cats bring in half dead and I finish them off I could not tell you. I have a rule in this house - if something comes in alive (well and truly alive), that's how it leaves. If something comes in half dead, and beyond repair, then I will finish it off, to put it out of its misery. I am an animal lover, but I will not allow something to suffer. (Mr Pix is useless at it, but I just shut my eyes and do it - it has to be done).

To that lurking button-pusher - If we had to take all our half-dead creatures to the vet, we'd be in debt now. It is just not practical. Added to which, the vets just look at you as if you are barmy.

Finishing off a wild life quickly is no different from a vet doing it. In fact, taking it to the vet surely prolongs the suffering sometimes, as it is in anguish whilst sitting in the waiting room??

[mr-expresso]

Sometime ago I found a racing pigeon with a damaged wing.

RSPB RSPCA VETS ...Not interested...

I traced the owner through the ring mumber and was able to email him...

He replied..

Would I mind pulling his neck...

I said I wouldn't...

I then got in touch with a local racing club and was told to take it down to one of their meetings....

I did and the guy I handed it over to wrung its neck.....:-(

[kiss*my*pixel]

So you have to bring it all up again! In which case I will have to report your post again. I think it has been made more than clear to you that your comments have been very upsetting to Hightara. She makes no secret that she has a delicate mental state that has sometimes become serious in the most extreme way. You will of course know that as you are so proud of your lurker status. I think you will find that most people on here are animal lovers, me probably least so, but foremost we value the life of people and your continued bleating on about your right to 'your opinion' could push her too far. She has been very upset by you. Please stop criticising something that has the support of the majority on here.

Having said what I said in my previous post, and I dislike trolls and button-pushers immensely (having been on the receiving end of some - quite recently!), and whilst I empathise immensely with Tara's problems, not everyone knows this, why would they?  (My Mum suffers the same) I may make myself unpopular, especially as I apparently haven't seen many of the pulled posts, but (: girds loins

This is a chat board - people are allowed to say what they think. Say something, and someone will disagree with you, then you fight your corner, someone will defend theirs. This is how a chat/discussion board works. No matter how friendly all the other members are with each other, don't shut out everyone else, how can they possibly know how cliquey everyone is

(Dons tin hat)

Having said that - if you have something to say, then say it under the ID under which everyone knows you.

🙂

Awaits slap which I know will come from someone . . . . .

[kiss*my*pixel]

Sometime ago I found a racing pigeon with a damaged wing.

RSPB RSPCA VETS ...Not interested...

I traced the owner through the ring mumber and was able to email him...

He replied..

Would I mind pulling his neck...

I said I wouldn't...

I then got in touch with a local racing club and was told to take it down to one of their meetings....

I did and the guy I handed it over to wrung its neck.....:-(

Oh 😞

RSPCA and vets usually not interested - you have to do what you have to do

[lurkingisover]

I wasn't going to respond again and this will definitely be my last post on here.  I just wanted to thank you Pixel for your post #33.  Yes, I lurk and is it any wonder that I very seldom post after this saga.  I'm not a troll or a button pusher, I just had a different opinion and still do!  Unfortunately my first post was removed but then Huggles was quick to post saying it was vicious and an attack on Tara.  Everyone then jumped in even though most of you didn't even see the post you just took Huggles word.   As I've said before, it was neither rude or vicious.  Then, I'm called a bully, a twit and a button pusher.  Have you ever thought that other people are reading what you post and might agree with my views and they are button pushing?

Huggles has said she reported two of my posts already.  So who is the button pusher there then and who is the bully?   All because I had a difference of opinion and had the audacity to speak up. 

Pixel is about the only one that can see my point of view (I hope).... this is a chat board, not everyone agrees with everyone else.  Heaven help anyone on here who dares to disagree with their friends, in they jump with their name calling and accusations of being a troll/button pusher.

I have taken wild life into my vet and of course there is no charge for taking in any wild life.  That is just my choice, not everyone can or would want to do that.  Doesn't mean I'm wrong in doing that.  Each to their own.

So.....I will leave this forum, no button pushing from me or anymore posts.  If Huggles or anyone wants to have another go at me then that is their choice.  I hope I haven't put any newbies off posting but I have to say it is really cliquey on here and no wonder so many people no longer post. 

[mitzigirl_123]

I was fortunate (or unfortunate) enough to read this thread from beginning to end and have had sight of all the posts before they were removed and whilst I don't normally post on here I felt I should reply.

It is clear that none of us like to see any creature suffering and when an incident occurs on our doorstep we have to think hard and fast and do what we can to eliminate the suffering of the creature (or bird in this instance) and the help of another is not always available.

The correct way to kill a bird, well a small one, is to break its neck BUT you have to know how to do it as sometimes the first attempt is unsuccessful causing more pain and distress to the creature at your mercy.

If you don’t know the correct method as above then the other quick and instant way is how Hightara did it quickly and accurately.

If you have any doubts about your capability of putting the creature out of its misery swiftly and effectively then, if you are fortunate enough to live within a relatively short distance to your local veterinary practice (and they are open) then take it there bearing in mind that the creature is still suffering.

I know, in principle, how to kill a bird but I can’t do it and leave it to another to do it for me leaving me with feelings of guilt that I prolonged the bird’s misery whilst I selfishly considered my own grief stricken emotions.

What I will say is this…. (and nobody is going to like what I am about to say next and it is it not aimed at any one person) but what shocked me the most about this topic were the replies given to “lurking” when they posted their opinion on how they would have handled the situation – it was like watching a flock of vultures swooping down after a kill to tear off strip of flesh from someone who dared to raise their head above the parapet and give an opinion and then accuse them of being a troll because of the chosen ID name. 

All the “lurking” posts I read were well balanced concise and articulate and nothing like the style and manner of a troll – I would say the responses given to “lurking” were more akin to that a troll!   

Hightara did what they felt was the right thing, at the right time and for the bird it is over and I think everyone learned something new from sharing their upsetting experience with us and I am humbled by the compassion shown to a little bird.

That said, I wonder how many people would launch the same vitriol assail as that aimed at “lurking” (and no doubt me) who merely stated an opinion – I wonder if it would be delivered with the same gusto and vengeance to the people who kill chickens, ducks, geese, quails, turkeys in a much less humane way purely to sate appetites - where birds are gassed or have their throats slit and then plucked whilst still alive.

It begs the question:  What are you having for tea tonight? ?:|

[lurkingisover]

What I will say is this…. (and nobody is going to like what I am about to say next and it is it not aimed at any one person) but what shocked me the most about this topic were the replies given to “lurking” when they posted their opinion on how they would have handled the situation – it was like watching a flock of vultures swooping down after a kill to tear off strip of flesh from someone who dared to raise their head above the parapet and give an opinion and then accuse them of being a troll because of the chosen ID name. 

All the “lurking” posts I read were well balanced concise and articulate and nothing like the style and manner of a troll – I would say the responses given to “lurking” were more akin to that a troll!   

Gosh Mitzigirl I have to pop back to say thank you for that post.  Yes, it felt like I was being attacked by a pack of vultures.  Most of those hadn't even seen my post.  One person decided to announce my post was vicious and the flock followed like sheep. Not so long ago I did post on here and was asked to join in more.  How the flock can change if you post something they don't agree with.

Let this topic go off the page now.  Maybe the flock will learn from this that other people can and should be entitled to have a different opinion without the fear of being attacked.  I really am gone now..... just wanted to thank you, means alot to me :-x

[ilove2patch]

Not taking sides here but I think the fact that people on here know Tara's situation with regard to her sometimes fragile mental state caused many people to rush to her defence not wanting her to take that post badly. I don't like name calling so am sorry that is how some posts came across. Perhaps if Lurking posted more and got to know people they would be happy here. We have loads of new posters who seem to enjoy the banter.:-)

Dropping it now.

[mitzigirl_123]

You are most welcome lurking and I responded because I was incensed by the attack you endured.

When I posted my reply at 6:47pm there were 718 views and now we are up to 767 and you are the only person to reply so there you have it, there are many more "lurkers" than contributors out there and I commend you for standing up for yourself and having an ID that is an honest description of an eBay forum poster.

Ooops - sorry Patch I was drafting my reply before you posted - fortunately I refreshed the page so I can include a reply to you.

I know nothing of Hightara's mental health or physical problems but that is not what this topic was or should be all about ... if a forum wants to attract new posters with fresh input then they should be welcomed and allowed to express their views without being verbally assaulted just because they do not know the histrionics of a regular poster.  This is the first time I have ever witnessed a forum street gang!